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<blockquote data-quote="hong" data-source="post: 538097" data-attributes="member: 537"><p>Tell me what "words of art" are, then.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What a pity that's irrelevant to this thread.</p><p></p><p>Here's something to aid your reading comprehension: the issue isn't what a "natural ability" is. The issue is whether the definition of a "natural ability" is something that's actually useful in the game, or just an orphan definition buried in an obscure passage in the PHB.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>In which case, what exactly is a "shield bonus"? How are you going to adjudicate an apparent contradiction in the rules except by exercising judgement?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Possibly because they have no idea what's implied by the question.</p><p></p><p>D00d, because I like you, I'll point out that all that asking someone achieves is that people put on their "X disagrees with me, therefore he's wrong" hat. Get over it already.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>My mind is perfectly clear, but yours seems a bit addled.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Tell me then when they intend to errata the monster descriptions so that "natural" abilities actually exist. Otherwise it's just a bunch of hot air.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, it just has to be useful and make sense, both of which are not the case with "natural" abilities.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Why are you still wasting your time mentioning the Sage?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, I didn't.</p><p></p><p>Are we there yet?</p><p></p><p>He hit me!</p><p></p><p>WABBIT season!</p><p></p><p>... etcetera.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You haven't read the House Rules forum at all, have you?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You seem rather defensive.</p><p></p><p>Why do you believe that I think you're trying to ruin my game?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Terrible how I'm not "most people" then, eh?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So why are you wasting your time again by posting more URLs and whatnot?</p><p></p><p>You said yourself you didn't want to waste time. And yet you continue to do so. Be true to yourself, man.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>D00d, that's MY line. Please find a witty rejoinder of your own. ThaADVANCEnks!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You mean like in the definition of "shield bonus"?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>1) Shields provide an armour bonus that stacks with worn armour.</p><p></p><p>2) Shields provide a shield bonus.</p><p></p><p>You know, I don't see any way that (1) and (2) can both be correct at the same time, which means there's a contradiction in the rules. In that case, any ruling by anyone is going to go against at least one of them.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You assume a lot. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool :cool:" data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Tell me about all those special abilities in the MM2 that are natural, then.</p><p></p><p>It's still an orphan definition.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hong, post: 538097, member: 537"] Tell me what "words of art" are, then. What a pity that's irrelevant to this thread. Here's something to aid your reading comprehension: the issue isn't what a "natural ability" is. The issue is whether the definition of a "natural ability" is something that's actually useful in the game, or just an orphan definition buried in an obscure passage in the PHB. In which case, what exactly is a "shield bonus"? How are you going to adjudicate an apparent contradiction in the rules except by exercising judgement? Possibly because they have no idea what's implied by the question. D00d, because I like you, I'll point out that all that asking someone achieves is that people put on their "X disagrees with me, therefore he's wrong" hat. Get over it already. My mind is perfectly clear, but yours seems a bit addled. Tell me then when they intend to errata the monster descriptions so that "natural" abilities actually exist. Otherwise it's just a bunch of hot air. No, it just has to be useful and make sense, both of which are not the case with "natural" abilities. Why are you still wasting your time mentioning the Sage? No, I didn't. Are we there yet? He hit me! WABBIT season! ... etcetera. You haven't read the House Rules forum at all, have you? You seem rather defensive. Why do you believe that I think you're trying to ruin my game? Terrible how I'm not "most people" then, eh? So why are you wasting your time again by posting more URLs and whatnot? You said yourself you didn't want to waste time. And yet you continue to do so. Be true to yourself, man. D00d, that's MY line. Please find a witty rejoinder of your own. ThaADVANCEnks! You mean like in the definition of "shield bonus"? 1) Shields provide an armour bonus that stacks with worn armour. 2) Shields provide a shield bonus. You know, I don't see any way that (1) and (2) can both be correct at the same time, which means there's a contradiction in the rules. In that case, any ruling by anyone is going to go against at least one of them. You assume a lot. :cool: Tell me about all those special abilities in the MM2 that are natural, then. It's still an orphan definition. [/QUOTE]
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