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<blockquote data-quote="Lily Inverse" data-source="post: 538131" data-attributes="member: 4594">Hong, the entire point of that was simply that you seem to be of the opinion that your game is more important in the general scheme of things than the game described in the books.&nbsp; Frankly, it's not.The &quot;Official&quot; game is the one described in the books.&nbsp; The current version of &quot;polymorph self&quot; is the &quot;official&quot; one and therefore the one under discussion.&nbsp; &quot;Official capacity,&quot; in this instance, means that he speaks as an employee of Wizards of the Coast, empowered by them to make changes to the game he helped to write and which they own.&nbsp; You do not have that happy power (or, if you do, speak up if you're permitted to do so).&nbsp; If he says something in this capacity, you are free to disagree with him, but then your words are a house ruling.&nbsp; Taken away from your table and applied elsewhere, they can, in fact, be considered &quot;wrong&quot; or &quot;inapplicable&quot;, because they are in disagreement with the rules.&nbsp; If Skip Williams speaks in the defined capacity, he is &quot;right&quot; for the purposes of this discussion, because it is his own words that are under discussion.In this case, &quot;Natural abilities&quot; are referenced in two places, and a very simple interpretation can be found.&nbsp; Anything in the entire statistic block not given the tag of &quot;Extraordinary,&quot; &quot;Supernatural,&quot; or &quot;Spell-Like&quot; is a natural ability.&nbsp; What this means is that movement, basic attacks, and low-light vision of animal forms are granted, and nothing else.&nbsp; Anything appearing in the &quot;Special Attacks&quot; &quot;Special Defenses&quot; or &quot;Special Qualities&quot; lines of the statistics block does not count as a &quot;natural ability&quot; for any purpose, even if the only purpose currently part of the rules is for the &quot;Polymorph Self&quot; spell.&nbsp; Come up with explanations, or alter the spell to your own needs.&nbsp; It doesn't really matter, but your opinion that &quot;Natural Abilities&quot; are not part of the game is simple arrogance.&nbsp; They are a small part, but it has been made reasonably clear that this is how that phrase is intended to be interpreted.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lily Inverse, post: 538131, member: 4594"] Hong, the entire point of that was simply that you seem to be of the opinion that your game is more important in the general scheme of things than the game described in the books. Frankly, it's not. The "Official" game is the one described in the books. The current version of "polymorph self" is the "official" one and therefore the one under discussion. "Official capacity," in this instance, means that he speaks as an employee of Wizards of the Coast, empowered by them to make changes to the game he helped to write and which they own. You do not have that happy power (or, if you do, speak up if you're permitted to do so). If he says something in this capacity, you are free to disagree with him, but then your words are a house ruling. Taken away from your table and applied elsewhere, they can, in fact, be considered "wrong" or "inapplicable", because they are in disagreement with the rules. If Skip Williams speaks in the defined capacity, he is "right" for the purposes of this discussion, because it is his own words that are under discussion. In this case, "Natural abilities" are referenced in two places, and a very simple interpretation can be found. Anything in the entire statistic block not given the tag of "Extraordinary," "Supernatural," or "Spell-Like" is a natural ability. What this means is that movement, basic attacks, and low-light vision of animal forms are granted, and nothing else. Anything appearing in the "Special Attacks" "Special Defenses" or "Special Qualities" lines of the statistics block does not count as a "natural ability" for any purpose, even if the only purpose currently part of the rules is for the "Polymorph Self" spell. Come up with explanations, or alter the spell to your own needs. It doesn't really matter, but your opinion that "Natural Abilities" are not part of the game is simple arrogance. They are a small part, but it has been made reasonably clear that this is how that phrase is intended to be interpreted. [/QUOTE]

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