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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 1199310" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>A fair analogy with one exception.</p><p></p><p>The section where the sentence</p><p></p><p>"Members on the Red, Orange, or Yellow schemes cannot cash in frequent flyer miles unless they have at least 10000 of them."</p><p></p><p>is in a spell description. Spell descriptions can and do have the power to overwrite the general rules like:</p><p></p><p>"Members on the Red scheme are ineligible for frequent flyer benefits."</p><p></p><p>You are coming to the conclusion that spell descriptions cannot overwrite general rules, even if they explicitly state so.</p><p></p><p>That is incorrect.</p><p></p><p>Freedom of Movement allows you to swing weapons underwater normally BECAUSE the spell says so. Not because the general rules says you cannot.</p><p></p><p>Dispel Magic does not immediately get rid of all of the aspects of the magic of the Fly spell because the Fly spell says so.</p><p></p><p>Contagion does not have an incubation period like normal disease rules because the spell says so.</p><p></p><p>Feather Fall can be cast fast enough to prevent damage from ANY fall, not just when it is your turn within the round (like all other spells) because the spell says so.</p><p></p><p>What is so special about Polymorph Other?</p><p></p><p>It's magic. It can do anything. Even break the normal save rules for undead and constructs (this sentence is no different than a sentence that stated that for undead and constructs, this is a Fort object save).</p><p></p><p>Your entire position is based on the concept that the spell description in this case does not take precedence over the general rule. Why? Why can some spells do that and Polymorph Other cannot? The sentence is nonsensical with respect to undead and constructs unless the spell takes precedence over the general rule. So, why would you take a nonsensical interpretation over the only one that makes sense? Are you basing your interpretation on what you think the intent of the designers was? Personally, I do not know the intent of the designers, but if your interpretation was it, they did not clarify very well (considering that this was the second or possibly the third time they wrote that spell).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 1199310, member: 2011"] A fair analogy with one exception. The section where the sentence "Members on the Red, Orange, or Yellow schemes cannot cash in frequent flyer miles unless they have at least 10000 of them." is in a spell description. Spell descriptions can and do have the power to overwrite the general rules like: "Members on the Red scheme are ineligible for frequent flyer benefits." You are coming to the conclusion that spell descriptions cannot overwrite general rules, even if they explicitly state so. That is incorrect. Freedom of Movement allows you to swing weapons underwater normally BECAUSE the spell says so. Not because the general rules says you cannot. Dispel Magic does not immediately get rid of all of the aspects of the magic of the Fly spell because the Fly spell says so. Contagion does not have an incubation period like normal disease rules because the spell says so. Feather Fall can be cast fast enough to prevent damage from ANY fall, not just when it is your turn within the round (like all other spells) because the spell says so. What is so special about Polymorph Other? It's magic. It can do anything. Even break the normal save rules for undead and constructs (this sentence is no different than a sentence that stated that for undead and constructs, this is a Fort object save). Your entire position is based on the concept that the spell description in this case does not take precedence over the general rule. Why? Why can some spells do that and Polymorph Other cannot? The sentence is nonsensical with respect to undead and constructs unless the spell takes precedence over the general rule. So, why would you take a nonsensical interpretation over the only one that makes sense? Are you basing your interpretation on what you think the intent of the designers was? Personally, I do not know the intent of the designers, but if your interpretation was it, they did not clarify very well (considering that this was the second or possibly the third time they wrote that spell). [/QUOTE]
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