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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 1199367" data-attributes="member: 2011">Well, your statements here do not need to be true. I could easily see two sentences of:"You cannot change subjects into elementals or outsiders unless they already are one of these types. You cannot change subjects into constructs or undead."Problem solved, we wouldn't be having this discussion.But, we are talking literal here versus inferred. And, I am not convinced that the designers wanted to infer that undead could be changed to undead, but that is what it literally states.When it comes to a rules forum, I do lean a little towards literal interpretation unless the literal interpretation makes little or no sense. I think changing a skeleton into a zombie makes as much sense as changing a fire elemental into a water elemental or as changing a human into a troll. None of it is unbalancing since EX, SL, and SU abilities are not gained and EX and SL abilities are not (generally) lost.It is quite possible that your interpretation is what was wanted, but it is not what is stated.I figure we are at the "guess we'll have to agree to disagree" part of the discussion. Where's Caliban when I need him? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>