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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 1206801" data-attributes="member: 2011">He mentioned it.He said two words "I say".Not "the rules say". "I say".It is an opinion not based on what the rules state.The rules state that Polymorph Others can affect undead if the original target is undead. The rules state that the undead immunity to Fort Save spells does not apply if the spell affects objects. The rules state that Polymorph Others "affects objects" by changing their size or melding them into the targeted creature."immune to any effect requiring a Fort Save (unless it affects objects)"According to Frank's opinion, this does not apply because Polymorph Other does not list objects as its targets, not because Polymorph Other cannot affect objects.He is adding a new criteria (i.e. a new house rule). That the spell must specifically target objects as opposed to merely affecting them.Control Winds is nearly identical to Polymorph Others in that it affects objects and has a Fort Save. However, it explicitly states in the text "Each round, a creature in the wind must make a Fortitude save or suffer the effect."Since it does not state that objects must make a Fort Save, does this mean that objects and/or undead are not affected by Control Wind? Since it does not "target objects", does this mean that objects and/or undead are not affected by Control Wind?Of course not. Control Winds explicitly states what it does to objects in its area of effect. Just like Polymorph Other explicitly states what it does to equipment carried by the targeted creature.Control Winds does NOT have listed: "Saving Throw: Fortitude negates (Object)". Instead, it has "Saving Throw: Fortitude negates". If Franks targeting theory were even possibly correct, Control Winds would minimally have (Object) listed in its Saving Throw.</blockquote>

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