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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 1208340" data-attributes="member: 2011">Ok, from what I can piece together, Seething Eyebane is an extremely powerful first level spell effect that:1) Blows up the targets eyes if he does not make a Fort Save. At first level (compared to Blindness at third level)? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes    :rolleyes:"  data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" />2) Does 1D6 acid damage to everyone in a 5 foot radius who doesn't make a Reflex save.3) Is somehow considered balanced because it does (or might do, not sure which since I do not have the spell) 1D6 of temporary Con damage to the caster.And this third party extremely bizarre (two different types of saves within the same spell) and unbalanced spell is what you are using to support your POV on a totally different core spell?Sorry, but just like you consider the Liches immunity to Polymorph to be irrelevant (maybe they put this immunity in for Polymorph Any Object and maybe they put it in for Polymorph Other, and maybe they put it in for both), I consider this spell example to be totally irrelevant to Polymorph Other.This third party spell does not indicate in any way shape or form what the core rules are. This is a rules forum based on rules, not based on strange spells from third party sources.There is definitely a targeting rule that states that if you target the wrong sort of target, the spell fails. However, the problem with claiming that an undead is the wrong sort of target is that Polymorph Other explicitly states that an undead target is legitimate if the effect (polymorphing into an undead) is attempted. There is no rule that states that "affects objects" means "target objects" and pulling strange third party spells with special saving throw rules listed within their text in no way invalidates the rules with regard to Polymorph Other.</blockquote>

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