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<blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 484623" data-attributes="member: 2067"><p>How can corruption exist within a LG church?</p><p></p><p>....easy. Some of Satan's most popular domains are trickery, deciet, and stealth....</p><p></p><p>When you can make a Minor Image of illuminated wings and a Ghost Sound of a small choir in the background, it's easy to make the common mook believe you're actually from God and Good.</p><p></p><p>When trying to corrupt a church to your own desires, getting your paws on a Ring of Mind Shielding is almost a must...</p><p></p><p>Oh, that, and being the most powerful guy within a 30' radius, and to look good to your superiors, is also useful.</p><p></p><p>So how does corruption exist? Easy. Detect spells aren't used when there's not even the suspicion of deciet. You just have to be clever about it. just because the possibility exists doesn't mean it will be used. I could see them being used in trials about heresey and such...but for ever measure, there is a coutermeasure, and a smart villain will have this in place long before the measure is actually used.</p><p></p><p>Things that are hidden and mysterious are *the* things to do. You can't be in the open if you're hoping to take control of your enemy from within.</p><p></p><p>I think you just may have a pet peeve with alignment that's showing itself. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> The alignment system isn't (or doesn't have to be) as black-and-white, ironclad as you're making it out to be.</p><p></p><p>And on the note of polytheism...</p><p></p><p>Can people worship Satan for power? How about other gods? Philosophies? (the rules allow all of this)....</p><p></p><p>Congratulations, you have more than one source of divine power, and so have a polytheism....heck, even if people can worship Satan for power, it's a dualism....two divine entities to turn toward. If God is the only one, than are only those who approach God in a certain way given powers? Or can anyone who pays homage to god gain powers (even if it's only lip service)? Can you pray and gain powers from saints? It's a polytheism then, too.</p><p></p><p>The solution is to create a largely cohesive, tight pantheon, where all the deities of one type work together, and all those of the other type work together. This works best along alignment lines for something like medieval europe, but it can exist along any lines, in theory. This creates a dualism, but with more than one god to turn to, and if you can gain power from anything but the One True, you've got at least a dualism already. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="I'm A Banana, post: 484623, member: 2067"] How can corruption exist within a LG church? ....easy. Some of Satan's most popular domains are trickery, deciet, and stealth.... When you can make a Minor Image of illuminated wings and a Ghost Sound of a small choir in the background, it's easy to make the common mook believe you're actually from God and Good. When trying to corrupt a church to your own desires, getting your paws on a Ring of Mind Shielding is almost a must... Oh, that, and being the most powerful guy within a 30' radius, and to look good to your superiors, is also useful. So how does corruption exist? Easy. Detect spells aren't used when there's not even the suspicion of deciet. You just have to be clever about it. just because the possibility exists doesn't mean it will be used. I could see them being used in trials about heresey and such...but for ever measure, there is a coutermeasure, and a smart villain will have this in place long before the measure is actually used. Things that are hidden and mysterious are *the* things to do. You can't be in the open if you're hoping to take control of your enemy from within. I think you just may have a pet peeve with alignment that's showing itself. ;) The alignment system isn't (or doesn't have to be) as black-and-white, ironclad as you're making it out to be. And on the note of polytheism... Can people worship Satan for power? How about other gods? Philosophies? (the rules allow all of this).... Congratulations, you have more than one source of divine power, and so have a polytheism....heck, even if people can worship Satan for power, it's a dualism....two divine entities to turn toward. If God is the only one, than are only those who approach God in a certain way given powers? Or can anyone who pays homage to god gain powers (even if it's only lip service)? Can you pray and gain powers from saints? It's a polytheism then, too. The solution is to create a largely cohesive, tight pantheon, where all the deities of one type work together, and all those of the other type work together. This works best along alignment lines for something like medieval europe, but it can exist along any lines, in theory. This creates a dualism, but with more than one god to turn to, and if you can gain power from anything but the One True, you've got at least a dualism already. :) [/QUOTE]
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