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<blockquote data-quote="mvincent" data-source="post: 3865269" data-attributes="member: 27034"><p>Excellent idea. Here is some research:</p><p></p><p>From the <a href="http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20051101a" target="_blank">Rules of the Game</a>:</p><p><em><span style="font-size: 9px">"Extradimensional spaces are notorious for creating spectacular and dangerous effects when placed inside each other; however, the dangers can be somewhat overrated. One bag of holding can be placed safely inside another (of course, the first bag's weight counts against what the second bag can hold). Likewise, one portable hole can be placed safely inside another."</span></em></p><p></p><p>However, from the <a href="http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/er/20030221a" target="_blank">3.0 FAQ</a> (and written by the same author above):</p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><em>“It’s a general rule that you can’t mix items containing nondimensional or extradimensional spaces (things that are bigger inside than out) with each other or with portable holes. Such combinations tend to strain the fabric of the cosmos. Putting one bag of holding within another is just like putting the bag into a portable hole. Items that function like bags of holding, such as Heward’s handy haversacks, cause the same mishaps when mishandled."</em></span></p><p></p><p>Also (for reference) from the 2ed guide to High-level campaigns, section on magic items:</p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><em>"Extradimensional Spaces: These items tend to produce spectacular effects when one is placed within another. The following items contain extradimensional spaces: bag of holding, bag of transmuting, flatbox†, girdle of many pouches, Heward’s handy haversack, portable hole, and pouch of accessibility. The following spells produce extradimensional spaces: extradimensional pocket†, Mordenkainen’s magnificent mansion, and rope trick.</em></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><em></em></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><em>In most instances, placing one extradimensional space inside another opens a rift to the Astral Plane, casting both the items and their contents through the rift. The items and anything contained within them are scattered randomly in the infinite depths of the Astral Plane." </em></span></p><p></p><p>A DM could use any interpretation, so best to ask him first. Also, you aren't putting one portable hole inside another here, but rather putting it inside itself... so it's anyone's guess.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mvincent, post: 3865269, member: 27034"] Excellent idea. Here is some research: From the [URL=http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20051101a]Rules of the Game[/URL]: [I][SIZE="1"]"Extradimensional spaces are notorious for creating spectacular and dangerous effects when placed inside each other; however, the dangers can be somewhat overrated. One bag of holding can be placed safely inside another (of course, the first bag's weight counts against what the second bag can hold). Likewise, one portable hole can be placed safely inside another."[/SIZE][/I] However, from the [URL="http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/er/20030221a"]3.0 FAQ[/URL] (and written by the same author above): [SIZE="1"][I]“It’s a general rule that you can’t mix items containing nondimensional or extradimensional spaces (things that are bigger inside than out) with each other or with portable holes. Such combinations tend to strain the fabric of the cosmos. Putting one bag of holding within another is just like putting the bag into a portable hole. Items that function like bags of holding, such as Heward’s handy haversacks, cause the same mishaps when mishandled."[/I][/SIZE] Also (for reference) from the 2ed guide to High-level campaigns, section on magic items: [SIZE="1"][I]"Extradimensional Spaces: These items tend to produce spectacular effects when one is placed within another. The following items contain extradimensional spaces: bag of holding, bag of transmuting, flatbox†, girdle of many pouches, Heward’s handy haversack, portable hole, and pouch of accessibility. The following spells produce extradimensional spaces: extradimensional pocket†, Mordenkainen’s magnificent mansion, and rope trick. In most instances, placing one extradimensional space inside another opens a rift to the Astral Plane, casting both the items and their contents through the rift. The items and anything contained within them are scattered randomly in the infinite depths of the Astral Plane." [/I][/SIZE] A DM could use any interpretation, so best to ask him first. Also, you aren't putting one portable hole inside another here, but rather putting it inside itself... so it's anyone's guess. [/QUOTE]
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