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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MoutonRustique" data-source="post: 6739323" data-attributes="member: 22362">I get what you're saying - we're just using slightly different versions of "narrow/breath of range".Following your definition, you're quite correct. I'm using "breath of range" as "number of concrete different things". All this being said, I'll stop arguing. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> At this point we're both looking at a sunset and arguing about the shade of orange it is. But arguing to argue is a pretty fun thing - so I'm doing myself a good deal of violence here. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Perhaps I'm not "getting it" - but I find the 5e fluff a bit to "tied-in" to be malleable enough for my purposes in this case. As an example : Fey =/= Fiend and it has some non-negligible impact in this game, so simply refluffing the druid summons hurts a bit, and stuff like this. It's nothing MAJOR, it's just little hang-ups in just a bit too many spots for my comfort.Perhaps it could work, I'm just... I don't know... I doesn't seem to fit for me.Examples are better :My initial (3.x) mechanical concept was : basically Pokemon (but with demons/devils - so it's cool)For this purpose, I had custom spells I built for my character in 3.x and got the ok from the DM. I wanted to have summon X spells at every spell level and with the proper theme:- single fiendish goblin summon- couple fiendish goblin (or one "orc")- "battalion" (4 I think) of fiendish hobgoblins- fiendish ogre- fiendish spitting drake... and so on and so forth, all around the theme of summoning "components" of this "evil devil/dude's" infernal armyWhen 4e came around... at first I pondered... a lot. But then I figured that I could use "lasting spells" and refluff my recast as the strain of trying to maintain the original spell.So lightning pillar became my conjuring of a lightning based demon that was extremely hard to control (hence, I could only allow it to strike at those that came to close). scorching blast became the same kind of thing but with a fire demon that could teleport, etc.The encounter spells were viewed in the same vein. The dailies were obviously not problematic. I played as a form of "lazy-wizard-lord-to-my-own-"summons"" kinda. I was pure battlefield control. But it worked and played fairly similar at the table and outside combat, I had the same kind of skills and options as I had in 3e. And, bit by bit, my character became my 4e character. So the transition is from this "version" as opposed to the 3.x one.In 5e... as a wizard, the kind of powers I wanted to use were sort of "locked behind a 1 minute cast". Other spells worked beautifully for my concept (flaming sphere is a prime example.) But on the whole the wizard wasn't a great match (there's a whole thing about my familiar that required 3 levels of warlock - which works on most levels, but then removes options I had already used in the game because of the drop in spell level access.)The druid is the best mechanical fit - but there were issues with the refluff/houserulling that didn't pass the DM check.It's not that I can't have my character in 5e at all, it's that I can't have my character without ~2-3 (I admit simple) houserules. But, in this case, that was 2-3 houserules required too many for this game. And since I tend to think of an edition as being what is presented in the books, I don't assume particular house-rulings are available in all games (case-in-point: myself.)... wow that was a lot of "not very useful info"... here's hoping it conveys where I'm coming from.</blockquote>

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