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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sepulchrave II" data-source="post: 909990" data-attributes="member: 4303">I thought about adding its strength modifier to its charisma modifier for its chance to break bindings - epic pseudonaturals have +22 Str more than the base creature, and its justifiable as a special ability with ' in something as incoherent as a pseudonatural where does Charisma end and Str begin?'Using Str+Cha would mean that to have a 50% chance of holding - for example - a pseudonatural ultroloth (35 Str, 19 Cha, 13 HD - total modifier +29) in a proper diagram a 15th level caster would need a buffed charisma of 28. Even these are poor odds for the captor, and if he doesn't strike a deal in 24 hours, he's probably toast. To contain one with the minmum chance of breaking free (5% per day), the caster needs to be 25th level. To reliably contain a pseudonatural solar (50 Str, 25 Cha, 22 HD - total modifier +49), a 40th level caster would need a buffed charisma of 38 - a pseudonatural solar is CR 29 by the book, although I'd up that to around 33 off the top of my head. Sorcerers will naturally make better binders than Wizards.Metagnostics, with their +1/level bonus to charisma checks vs. far realm inhabitants would gain a noticeable benefit by 30th caster level. The advantage will diminish by 40th level and, I suspect, be gone by 50th. Greater Planar Binding has a 24 HD cap, and the nastiest things I can think of that can be called (pseudonatural Ha-nagas, pseudonatural white slaadi, pseudonatural solars, etc.) should not pose significant threats at that level. I say should not, as my faith in the CR system is not solid, to say the least.I should probably reword the planar binding mechanic as a 'special charisma check, to which the caster adds his level' to avoid ambiguity - it is still a charisma check.Of course, banishing pseudonaturals is almost impossible because of their obscene SR. Once you've called them, they're hard to get rid of.Edit: Just checked the stats for pseudonatural white slaad and pseudonatural Ha-naga (total adj +54 and +52 respectively): these are the 'worst abuse possible' case scenarios of the spell. A 45th level wizard with a charisma of 38 could call the pseudoslaad safely; a 40th level sorcerer with a charisma of 48 (perfectly plausible, I'm sure); or a wizard 11/ alienist 10 / metagnostic 14 (a 35th level character) with a buffed charisma of 'only' 30.</blockquote>

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