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<blockquote data-quote="Pax" data-source="post: 929771" data-attributes="member: 6875"><p>Well, I've been putting a LOt of thought into this; one of the (IMO) coolest PrCs in tome and Blood is the Alienist; it's chock full of potential style, and for a creature-summoning caster, not too shabby in terms of sheer "throw weight", either.</p><p></p><p> Unfortunately, once you hit Epic levels, even Summon Monster IX starts to look underpowered; most creatures on that list just can't keep up, even with the pre-epic pseudonatural template.</p><p></p><p> OTOH, just giving the Epic Pseudonatural template, all at once, would be a <em>phenomenal</em> jump in power. Too <strong>much</strong> power, in fact. The solution seems clear, then: spread those benefits out, so that the Epic Alienist slowly eases into that enhanced power.</p><p></p><p> At the same time, the Alienist is fun because of his slow slide away from humanity; so, having been inspired already by the Epic Insights article on Transformational Prestige Classes, I decided "wouldn't it be grand, if the Alienist <em>himself</em> slowly became pseudonatural ... ? Even <strong>epicly</strong> pseudonatural?</p><p></p><p> Hence, the quote below. It took me 50 levels to feel comfortable with the speed of progression, and I think it MIGHT still be a bit fast. Considering the best things the Epic Alienist is likely to summon are <strong>still</strong> only SuMonIX critters, though, I'm not sure that faint feeling of "too fast" is accurate.</p><p></p><p> Still, this class gets a lot of goodies in somewhat short order, so a VERY slow bonus feat rate seemed best; I pegged it at 1/6 levels, starting at Epic Alienist 16. Slower, in fact, than ANY Epic Progression I've seen from official sources.</p><p></p><p> So, what do people here think? Any suggestions, further feedback, or the like? Recommended feats to put on the class' Epic Bonus Feats list?</p><p></p><p> I'll also be trying to come up with some feats, metamagics heavily among them, of both pre-Epic and Epic levels, that would be of especial use to summoners (Augment Summoning was a good start, but ... they stopped. 8).</p><p></p><p> Possibly even a few dealing directly with pseudonatural summoned creatures (both to make the creatures better, and, to better <strong>fight</strong> them).</p><p></p><p> Ideas along those lines would definitely be welcome.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Pax, post: 929771, member: 6875"] Well, I've been putting a LOt of thought into this; one of the (IMO) coolest PrCs in tome and Blood is the Alienist; it's chock full of potential style, and for a creature-summoning caster, not too shabby in terms of sheer "throw weight", either. Unfortunately, once you hit Epic levels, even Summon Monster IX starts to look underpowered; most creatures on that list just can't keep up, even with the pre-epic pseudonatural template. OTOH, just giving the Epic Pseudonatural template, all at once, would be a [i]phenomenal[/i] jump in power. Too [b]much[/b] power, in fact. The solution seems clear, then: spread those benefits out, so that the Epic Alienist slowly eases into that enhanced power. At the same time, the Alienist is fun because of his slow slide away from humanity; so, having been inspired already by the Epic Insights article on Transformational Prestige Classes, I decided "wouldn't it be grand, if the Alienist [i]himself[/i] slowly became pseudonatural ... ? Even [b]epicly[/b] pseudonatural? Hence, the quote below. It took me 50 levels to feel comfortable with the speed of progression, and I think it MIGHT still be a bit fast. Considering the best things the Epic Alienist is likely to summon are [b]still[/b] only SuMonIX critters, though, I'm not sure that faint feeling of "too fast" is accurate. Still, this class gets a lot of goodies in somewhat short order, so a VERY slow bonus feat rate seemed best; I pegged it at 1/6 levels, starting at Epic Alienist 16. Slower, in fact, than ANY Epic Progression I've seen from official sources. So, what do people here think? Any suggestions, further feedback, or the like? Recommended feats to put on the class' Epic Bonus Feats list? I'll also be trying to come up with some feats, metamagics heavily among them, of both pre-Epic and Epic levels, that would be of especial use to summoners (Augment Summoning was a good start, but ... they stopped. 8). Possibly even a few dealing directly with pseudonatural summoned creatures (both to make the creatures better, and, to better [b]fight[/b] them). Ideas along those lines would definitely be welcome. [/QUOTE]
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