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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Viktyr Gehrig" data-source="post: 4949925" data-attributes="member: 9249">That's a good point. And, setting up for the second feat, you might want to allow a 1/1/1 to take the first feat at 3rd. So yeah, change the prerequisites to "levels in at least 2 base classes." The idea is that your Paladin training continues even while you're taking levels in Fighter-- just less effectively. Part of the idea is that lower level abilities are easier to learn than higher level abilities, so it's easier for you to keep up in the lower level abilities of multiple classes.Those things are almost entirely meaningless to most classes, and entirely meaningless to spellcasters. Doesn't really fix the problem at all.There's two reasons.The functional reason is that the purpose of these feats is to encourage the use of the base classes and multiclassing within them without resorting to PrCs-- and to encourage base classes in general.The second is a balance problem. One feat turns any 1/2 spellcaster progression class  into a full progression class. In general, Prestige Class class features are better than base class features-- even high level base class features.And then there's the abominations. Wizard 5/Mindbender 4/Ur-Priest 4. No lost spellcaster levels for Mindbender, one lost level for Ur-Priest-- run it out to Wizard 12 and you cast spells like a Wizard 19/Ur-Priest 12. In addition to having the full run of Mindbender and Ur-Priest class abilities.Bard 6/Lyric Thaumaturge 4/Sublime Chord 4. That's ninth level spells at 14th level, and regardless of whether you run Bard X or keep your levels even after that point, you're a superior caster than a dedicated Sorcerer. Even assuming that you can't get multiple caster levels in a single level.Pretty much any combination of a base class and a prestige class geared toward that class is a nightmare. There's also the problem of using two or three Prestige Classes together. Sorcerer 5/Dragonheart Mage 2/Dragon Disciple 2 takes Cross Training at 9. Goes DHM 5/DD4 and picks up four levels of Dragon Devotee to pick up Improved Cross Training at 18.And, of course... to put it all together, Bard 5/Mindbender 1. Improved Cross Training in Lyric Thaumaturge, Sublime Chord and Ur-Priest.Even something as simple as Swashbuckler/Rogue/Duelist comes out ugly using this method.</blockquote>

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