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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Belorin" data-source="post: 4134616" data-attributes="member: 33129">I just went with the fact that wizards cast spells with elemental effects, plus some shadow, illusion and necromatic at least at low levels. In R&C they say that the bigger and better spells of these types are being reserved for the appropriate classes down the line.As i stated in the OP I'm unfamiliar with Psionics as they were, matter of fact have never used them in my games. In another game, Bureau 13 we had psionics and they were called talents. As for primal manifestations, it sounded good, a druid would manifest her animal shape, a barbarian manifests his totems aspect as he rages, the Shaman manifests the spirit of the wind to push his enemy back, etc.MaelStorm & FallenTabris, I include the 'Ki' power as an upper level of the Martial power source.Bel</blockquote>