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<blockquote data-quote="Dr. Strangemonkey" data-source="post: 3929750" data-attributes="member: 6533">Well I got two responses for that:First, outside of a culture with a lot of gymnasiums even climb and swim don't make sense as distinct skills.For most of history you'd say, that guy knows how to get around in the woods, cliffs, river, etc. and that would dictate whether they knew how to climb or swim.From that perspective I'd just throw climb and swim into the wilderness lore subsets and be done with it.Second,You just make athletics a general movement skill and then you say that people have to acclimate to the skill sets.&nbsp; So if your character has never swum before but you do know how to climb you just need to try it out, take your penalty, and then the next time you level up you count as acclimated.It's not as if someone who's fit from climbing isn't going to have a head start on learning to swim versus someone who's utterly unfit altogether.&nbsp; Or even someone who's very fit from weight and machine training but has no movement training whatsoever.And on that note, I'd be tempted to give someone a bonus to all class skills even without training.&nbsp; Someone who moves about a battlefield is going to know a lot about breath work for swimming even if he isn't otherwise atheletically trained.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dr. Strangemonkey, post: 3929750, member: 6533"] Well I got two responses for that: First, outside of a culture with a lot of gymnasiums even climb and swim don't make sense as distinct skills. For most of history you'd say, that guy knows how to get around in the woods, cliffs, river, etc. and that would dictate whether they knew how to climb or swim. From that perspective I'd just throw climb and swim into the wilderness lore subsets and be done with it. Second, You just make athletics a general movement skill and then you say that people have to acclimate to the skill sets. So if your character has never swum before but you do know how to climb you just need to try it out, take your penalty, and then the next time you level up you count as acclimated. It's not as if someone who's fit from climbing isn't going to have a head start on learning to swim versus someone who's utterly unfit altogether. Or even someone who's very fit from weight and machine training but has no movement training whatsoever. And on that note, I'd be tempted to give someone a bonus to all class skills even without training. Someone who moves about a battlefield is going to know a lot about breath work for swimming even if he isn't otherwise atheletically trained. [/QUOTE]

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