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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sir Brennen" data-source="post: 1293879" data-attributes="member: 553">Why does attacking the high AC tank equate to "doing something more"?  And what if the fumble is on his third iterative attack, which has a full 50% chance less of hitting than his first attack?  Fighters aren't guaranteed to hit; otherwise, why do they have to roll at all? And what if it's not a fighter doing the attacking?...who uses his Tower Shield for cover until you run out of vials, or his priest friend protects him from fire, then the tank charges in anyway. Your solution also only applies under certain combat situations, which an average DM would only present once in a while if he knows that flaming oil is the party's standard tactic.  Fumbles can happen in any combat.MarauderX's point, and I agree, is why should one have a greater chance of fumbling against someone wearing Plate Mail than the same guy in leather?  Where's the logic behind it?  One could almost argue that you'd fumble more against the lighter armored, more mobile opponent, as he dodges and feints.  The tank has to basically stand there and take it.Again, this is why I just use Attack Roll vs. DC 15 on all fumble checks, so your opponent's armor isn't a factor.</blockquote>