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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 5691717" data-attributes="member: 2011">I thought it would be to my taste before I read the character sheets of my players. Go back and reread my original post here. I was really psyched about it. Repeat play is fine as long as the DM has major control over challenging the PCs. He doesn't with this module.The DM only has control over repeat monsters and repeat traps. I have players that wiped this thing the first time. 5 PCs out of 6 were not even bloodied at the end. They didn't even use their second winds.Regardless of your opinion, there is no way I could have challenged them in a second encounter with the knowledge they gained after the first time and the major limitations the adventure has in changing things up.If the rooms could change locations and if the PCs did not have a map, and/or if it wasn't a single encounter so that Daily powers did not become super effective, and/or if I could change what the oil and fish and cloaks and runes and pillars do, or when the 4th round damage occurs, then sure, I could throw up a decent encounter each time because I could surprise the players.But, I cannot really surprise them.This is a mostly damage challenge encounter against a group of players who came in with 9 heal spells, a few other healing Dailies, 7 healing potions, and a few ways to get temp hit points and resistance and a companion to suck up damage. If I could daze them or stun them or blind them, or even heaven forbid, outnumber them, then yeah, I might figure something else. But seriously, you have no clue here. My players would wipe this most if not all of the time no matter who the DM was as long as the DM is handcuffed with the module as written. As I mentioned earlier, I still had 400 points of damage that I had to yet do to TPK the party with the healing options that they had remaining. I did make a minor mistake or two and probably could have managed another 30 or 50 points of damage. Or, my dice could have been hotter. But the final outcome would have been similar. The players just came in with too many good options and next time would be even better for them.The concept of Lair Assault was fine. A super challenge for players. The implementation, at least for the types of knowledgeable players I play with, was weak, even lame.I'm glad that you enjoy it and find it fun. Sorry, but I find it to be a bit of a joke. Not because it cannot be played again, but because it doesn't have enough DM options to make playing it again really challenging (or even worthwhile) for my group. Just because your experience disagrees with mine does not invalidate my experience (or opinion) of this module.As a DM, I can do two things. I can take total control of my game and throw brand new things that are hopefully interesting at my players every single week. Or, I can run them through an encounter multiple times where they won't really be surprised, but they will probably do better each time. Kind of like playing the same computer game from start to finish over and over again. I chose the former.</blockquote>

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