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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 6683413" data-attributes="member: 2525">I didn't say it upset me.  Stop putting words in my mouth.  I said it's taken as a negative.  And it is.  I didn't misuse statistics and there IS a product in there that said Tyranny (I know because I found it by clicking search for that word).  But whatever, you are PROVING MY POINT but you think I am making some argument I am not.  SO BOTH got lower scores than the Paizo ones you cited - which proves my point that the review system works just fine.  Did you think I was trying to argument Tyranny is good? If so...why? What about anything I've said would imply I liked it?Second Darkness is a weaker one of Paizo's APs, and I think we all know that.  Are you denying it? I thought that was your point as well - I've never seen anyone cite it as a stronger one of their APs.  My point was it's a weaker one, and so is Tyranny, and they rank roughly that way - as weaker.  I have never argued any level of fine precision here, just that you can tell roughly what people think of these adventures from the Reviews section - a better source of opinions than a thread like this.It was a fair interpretation of what you said, as I can't think of why you'd "make that challenge" in context with the rest of your posts on this topic if you didn't mean "and they didn't meet that challenge"?I am saying overall, taken as a whole, the Reviews section is composed of people who read or play the adventure and are giving fair, thoughtful, and thorough reviews of the products relative to a thread like this one.  You can pick nits all you want, but that doesn't discount my overall point.Yes and no.  EnWorld has always had lots of reviews, and Morrus consolidated them prior to making the reviews system itself.  You can find the older reviews as well, and you will find they are generally consistent with the new ones for the same products.It's fair for me to say it.  It appears to be why you said the reviewers have not read the adventures; and why you said there are too few reviews for some products; and why you said fan boys can raid a review section to boost reviews.  The entire theme of this debate is you taking the position that the Reviews section should be discounted - though you never discounted it before for Paizo products.  Are you denying you want people to discount the Reviews section? If so, you're doing a poor job of communicating that.OK SO WHAT IS THAT? You're talking out of both sides of your mouth now.  First you denied it when I said, "Reviews section is being questioned with the implication it's flawed and shouldn't be trusted in any way."  and now you're blatantly doing just that.  Hey delericho - pick a position.  You cannot play both sides on this one, you're arguing mutually exclusive positions.  Either we should discount the Reviews section - in which case your going to have to put up some vague explanation for why you never had any issue with it when it was reviewing Paizo products for years (through the earlier reviews, and now).  Or there is some value to that Reviews section - in which case I have no idea what your point is anymore.OK fair enough.  Then it seems like you did a lot of work to discount the Reviews section only to finally admit it does have value for the very products we're discussing in this thread (the WOTC ones - which all have lots of reviews).</blockquote>

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