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Message: <blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 8078928" data-attributes="member: 12731">Oh, I don't disagree. (In fact, I played a 3E Sorcerer specifically because I didn't have to muck about with slot memorization)I'm just saying that just like in 5E, moving the Wizard over to spontaneous casting is a huge change, since it basically steals the whole raison d'etre of the Sorcerer. And since PF2 doesn't give its Sorcerer anything that comes near to the power upgrade that is 5E-style metamagics, I fear that class would basically be relegated to become a "variant wizard".---Now, I'm not planning on switching over the PF2 Wizard to spontaneous casting, but if I were, I would probably lean on my experiences so far, which tell me "the Wizard is woefully underpowered" and go in another direction, that takes its cue from 3E.Give the Wizard a bonus level as a caster, just like the 3E Wizard was one level ahead of the 3E Sorcerer. (As I said, I played a 3E Sorcerer. As I recall, that kind of sucked, but not nearly as bad as having to memorize my spells, and having the wrong spell for the job. And as you might expect for a game of d20, once I reached 6th level, I easily contributed my fair share and justified my place in the group)Having the Wizard gain access to Fireball at level 4 and Wish at level 18 just might be what the doctor ordered. Counting as one level higher would help with Incapacitation as well, since now the level 6 Wizard would be able to affect level 8 monsters normally (counting as level 7 means access to level four spell slots, and 4x2=8).You would not gain a bonus level for any other purposes than general spells and spell slots. You don't get hit points, feats, saves, skill increases and other class abilities. (Hope this was obvious)If you dislike Vancian as much as I do, you would still have a reason to play a Sorcerer (or Bard). And Clerics/Druids seem to do okay for other reasons.</blockquote>

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