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<blockquote data-quote="Sword of Spirit" data-source="post: 6634176" data-attributes="member: 6677017"><p>But since potions <em>bypass the casting of the spell</em>, concentration cannot apply, as it is something that the <em>caster</em> does, and these spells explicitly bypass <em>being cast</em>.</p><p></p><p>Here's how the text reads:</p><p></p><p>"Casting a Spell</p><p>When a character <strong>casts any spell</strong> the same basic rules are followed, regardless of the character's class or the spell's effects.</p><p>...</p><p>Some spells require <u>you</u> to maintain concentration in order to keep their magic active. If you lose concentration, such a spell ends." - PBR p. 79.</p><p></p><p>Concentration is an element of duration, which is organized as a subtopic under the broader heading of "Casting a Spell." <u>You</u> therefore refers to the <em>caster</em> not a recipient of any particular spell effect. I'm talking about the arrangement of the document and its logic, which is clear from just looking at that page and section.</p><p></p><p>Now, the DMG gives us:</p><p></p><p>"Some magic items allow a user to <em>cast a spell</em> from the item. The spell is cast at the lowest possible spell level, doesn't expend any of the user's spell slots, and requires no components, unless the item's description says otherwise. The spell uses its normal casting time, range, and duration, <em>and the user of the item must concentrate if the spell requires concentration.</em> Many items, such as potions, <strong><em>bypass the casting of a spell</em></strong> and confer the spell's effects, with their usual duration." - DMG p. 141</p><p></p><p>My argument entirely rests on the fact that the drinker of a potion is explicitly not the caster of the spell, and concentration can only apply to the caster of a spell. If they were going to make an exception to say that drinkers of potions need to concentrate as if they had cast the spell, they would have had to specifically call it out (which they did not) since the general rule is that concentration is solely for the caster, not the recipient of an effect.</p><p></p><p>I understand where you are coming from with regards to the duration line. Concentration is considered part of duration, so "normal duration" should include concentration. This is a real problem with the text's clarity. But in the case of potions, if their duration <em>did</em> include concentration, they wouldn't work at all, since there is no caster to concentrate on them. It doesn't say the drinker is treated as the caster--it says they receive the effects of the spell while bypassing casting it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sword of Spirit, post: 6634176, member: 6677017"] But since potions [I]bypass the casting of the spell[/I], concentration cannot apply, as it is something that the [I]caster[/I] does, and these spells explicitly bypass [I]being cast[/I]. Here's how the text reads: "Casting a Spell When a character [B]casts any spell[/B] the same basic rules are followed, regardless of the character's class or the spell's effects. ... Some spells require [U]you[/U] to maintain concentration in order to keep their magic active. If you lose concentration, such a spell ends." - PBR p. 79. Concentration is an element of duration, which is organized as a subtopic under the broader heading of "Casting a Spell." [U]You[/U] therefore refers to the [I]caster[/I] not a recipient of any particular spell effect. I'm talking about the arrangement of the document and its logic, which is clear from just looking at that page and section. Now, the DMG gives us: "Some magic items allow a user to [I]cast a spell[/I] from the item. The spell is cast at the lowest possible spell level, doesn't expend any of the user's spell slots, and requires no components, unless the item's description says otherwise. The spell uses its normal casting time, range, and duration, [I]and the user of the item must concentrate if the spell requires concentration.[/I] Many items, such as potions, [B][I]bypass the casting of a spell[/i][/B] and confer the spell's effects, with their usual duration." - DMG p. 141 My argument entirely rests on the fact that the drinker of a potion is explicitly not the caster of the spell, and concentration can only apply to the caster of a spell. If they were going to make an exception to say that drinkers of potions need to concentrate as if they had cast the spell, they would have had to specifically call it out (which they did not) since the general rule is that concentration is solely for the caster, not the recipient of an effect. I understand where you are coming from with regards to the duration line. Concentration is considered part of duration, so "normal duration" should include concentration. This is a real problem with the text's clarity. But in the case of potions, if their duration [I]did[/I] include concentration, they wouldn't work at all, since there is no caster to concentrate on them. It doesn't say the drinker is treated as the caster--it says they receive the effects of the spell while bypassing casting it. [/QUOTE]
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