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Message: <blockquote data-quote="sullivan" data-source="post: 2131547" data-attributes="member: 28152">Yes, that is it. It's like melding a Charge to the Full Attack, the single overlapping attack between the two is not duplicated. This would seem to be what they were likely getting at with the Pounce given Pounce's history back to 3.0 and the CR remaing the same between 3.0 and 3.5. I highly suspect that it was poorly wording that leads it to read as #3. Pounce got a boost anyway from only available on the first round of combat and requiring a leap to anytime that it chooses to Charge. More opportunities to be used and better mobility alone greatly improve the offensive power of the big cats and others with the ability. Especially when coupled with the Haste and Cleave/Greater Cleave (Druids can still effect this sort of progression in animals in 3.5?). Even without that a cat can change a straight up CR encounter to a deadly senario quickly with a PC down in the first round. Afterall a predator's instinct is to first attack what appears to be the small, weak, lagard of the herd. If that doesn't scream mage at the back or attacking the soft, chewy bits of the party from the side I don't know what does. With Haste and Cleave/Greater Cleave (adjusting for the likely shift in CR) I'm estimating that you could expect to often see nearly two PCs down within in the first round depending on Surprise/Init rolls.</blockquote>