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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Brother MacLaren" data-source="post: 2137607" data-attributes="member: 15999">No.  Even if you assume Option 3 (I wouldn't), you don't get the rake attacks from the grab until the *next round.*  That's stated in the Rake description at the end of the MM.  It's confusing because it says a creature cannot initiate a grapple and rake in the same round, but I believe that is meant to apply solely to the grapple application of rakes and not the pounce application (in which the rakes and the grab are independent).So, you would lose the four attacks in #2 and #4, making 6 attacks in one round.  If you rule that the full attack replaces the single attack that is part of a charge, you have 5 attacks in the pounce round, followed by 3 attacks in the next round if a hold has not been established, or a grapple check for bite damage and 2 rake attacks if a hold has been established.</blockquote>