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Message: <blockquote data-quote="eamon" data-source="post: 3779370" data-attributes="member: 51942">The creatures that actually have the pounce ability seem to generally have a line saying something along the lines of "If a dire lion charges, it can make a full attack, including two rake attacks", which suggests to me that the full attack replaces the normal standard attack.  If such a creature could make the full attack in addition to a standard attack it would say so, just as it mentions the rake attacks.  The fact that the glossary uses the word follows is simply an imprecision owing to the fact that the word "charge" is somewhat ambiguous.In plain english, charges are the act of rushing towards your enemy, and not so much the attacking itself.  In any case, given the descriptions and plain common sense (normally a D&D charge is movement followed by a single attack), I think the "followed by" in the short description of pounce clearly refers to following the movement.Why would the -2 (or -5 without multiattack) penalty not apply to the rake attacks?  They're not the primary natural attack, after all.  Rakes used in grapple instead of the "normal" primary attack would not suffer the multiattack penalty, but when used in conjunction with pounce, I can't see anything that makes them different from other natural attacks.In short, I think that pounce's full attack replaces the normal standard attack, and that the charge bonus applies to all attacks of that full attack, and that the multiattack penalty applies to all attacks beyond the primary natural attack - including rakes.</blockquote>

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