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<blockquote data-quote="Jeremy" data-source="post: 525725" data-attributes="member: 4036">For the third time.&nbsp; DMG 24.&nbsp; Other Statistics for Monsters.You DO get to alter the monsters statistics to your taste.&nbsp; You roll their attributes, you pick their skills, you choose their feats.If it said &quot;for example an ogre with no class levels has 4d8 hd, a base attack bonus of +3, the weapon focus (greatclub) feat, and x skill points in climb, listen, and spot&quot; then you'd have a point.&nbsp; Then the DMG would be telling us all that the feats and skills selected by the weakest example of a race as presented in the Monster Manual is what all ogres must select regardless of background, culture, or environment.&nbsp; But it doesn't.&nbsp; It says the opposite.&nbsp; It says you have one feat and 8 skill points.&nbsp; You pick them.Default MM ogres have weapon focus (greatclub), 4 ranks in climb, 2 ranks in spot, and 2 ranks in listen.&nbsp; None of these are listed in the DMG as things ogres must have or gain as bonuses.&nbsp; If an ogre were raised in the city and ranks in intimidate, profession (bouncer), and the feat improved initiative that is perfectly ok by DMG 24.Please give me a quote saying otherwise, from any where in the core rulebooks or some other published piece of writing.&nbsp; Anything.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jeremy, post: 525725, member: 4036"] For the third time. DMG 24. Other Statistics for Monsters. You DO get to alter the monsters statistics to your taste. You roll their attributes, you pick their skills, you choose their feats. If it said "for example an ogre with no class levels has 4d8 hd, a base attack bonus of +3, the weapon focus (greatclub) feat, and x skill points in climb, listen, and spot" then you'd have a point. Then the DMG would be telling us all that the feats and skills selected by the weakest example of a race as presented in the Monster Manual is what all ogres must select regardless of background, culture, or environment. But it doesn't. It says the opposite. It says you have one feat and 8 skill points. You pick them. Default MM ogres have weapon focus (greatclub), 4 ranks in climb, 2 ranks in spot, and 2 ranks in listen. None of these are listed in the DMG as things ogres must have or gain as bonuses. If an ogre were raised in the city and ranks in intimidate, profession (bouncer), and the feat improved initiative that is perfectly ok by DMG 24. Please give me a quote saying otherwise, from any where in the core rulebooks or some other published piece of writing. Anything. [/QUOTE]

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