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<blockquote data-quote="Arkhandus" data-source="post: 2119427" data-attributes="member: 13966"><p><strong>The SRD's Monsters (Intro-A) section states that the creature normally only gets 1-1/2 times its Strength bonus to damage with a primary natural attack if that's their ONLY natural weapon.</strong> Some creatures have a unique exception, such as dragons with their tail slap, tail sweep, and crush. The crush attack of true dragons would apply Power Attack damage by my judgement of its wording (it starts off saying 'this special attack' and describes some other stuff making it out to be mostly like a normal grapple attack).</p><p></p><p>However, the wording of Power Attack can be taken to mean either, that you simply use it before rolling any melee attacks for the round, or <em>could</em> mean that you <em>only use it just before rolling melee attacks</em>. The way it's worded, there's no way to tell which is the spirit of the rule, but the simplest and thus most likely meaning is that you can use it on any round, and then if you happen to do any melee damage that round, you apply the Power Attack that you activated earlier that round.</p><p></p><p>HOWEVER, there is nothing whatsoever indicating that natural weapons get to apply double Power Attack damage. The descriptions of dragon natural attacks never state that they're treated as two-handed, and indeed most of them are stated as being considered secondary rather than primary. Unarmed attacks and natural attacks are considered light weapons, and the PA description notes that despite the normal restriction against applying the feat towards light weapon attacks, you can apply it with unarmed strikes and natural weapons. They still count as light weapons, but apply Power Attack normally. The feat only mentions applying itself double when you wield a two-handed weapon or use a one-handed weapon with two hands. Natural weapons are neither of those, so they DO NOT apply double Power Attack, just normal PA.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Arkhandus, post: 2119427, member: 13966"] [B]The SRD's Monsters (Intro-A) section states that the creature normally only gets 1-1/2 times its Strength bonus to damage with a primary natural attack if that's their ONLY natural weapon.[/B] Some creatures have a unique exception, such as dragons with their tail slap, tail sweep, and crush. The crush attack of true dragons would apply Power Attack damage by my judgement of its wording (it starts off saying 'this special attack' and describes some other stuff making it out to be mostly like a normal grapple attack). However, the wording of Power Attack can be taken to mean either, that you simply use it before rolling any melee attacks for the round, or [I]could[/I] mean that you [I]only use it just before rolling melee attacks[/I]. The way it's worded, there's no way to tell which is the spirit of the rule, but the simplest and thus most likely meaning is that you can use it on any round, and then if you happen to do any melee damage that round, you apply the Power Attack that you activated earlier that round. HOWEVER, there is nothing whatsoever indicating that natural weapons get to apply double Power Attack damage. The descriptions of dragon natural attacks never state that they're treated as two-handed, and indeed most of them are stated as being considered secondary rather than primary. Unarmed attacks and natural attacks are considered light weapons, and the PA description notes that despite the normal restriction against applying the feat towards light weapon attacks, you can apply it with unarmed strikes and natural weapons. They still count as light weapons, but apply Power Attack normally. The feat only mentions applying itself double when you wield a two-handed weapon or use a one-handed weapon with two hands. Natural weapons are neither of those, so they DO NOT apply double Power Attack, just normal PA. [/QUOTE]
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