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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Blue" data-source="post: 6998049" data-attributes="member: 20564">I don't understand why people seem to think these are on the same axis.  They are independent.  How well you roleplay and how much you apply system mastery are not related.I love to roleplay.  I can be overheard having conversations with myself as I try our voice, nuances, and beliefs for a character.  I can spend the whole session having in-character conversation with other players, and perhaps do it too often.  I'll do things that are awesome and in-character.  I'll skip doing things that are awesome but not in character.  I've done plenty of stupid things and lived (or not) with the consequences because that's what my character would do.  The main place I pull it in is if it impacts other peoples fun - I try not to grandstand or grab the spotlight too much.  And while some intra-party drama like convincing the honorable paladin to ambush someone can add some good RP if everyone is up for it, I avoid PvP like the plague.I also enjoy having a high level of expertise in the mechanics.  I build effective characters.  I can optimize and min-max, and my characters are usually very good at whatever I want them to do and also good at surviving.  Sometimes it's acting as a force multiplier for the party like a great battlefield controller, amazingly durable tank (not as much in 5e), or support character that brings everyone up to 11.  Sometimes it's more direct, like a damage-focused archer.  The main place I pull it in is if it impacts other peoples fun - I try not to grandstand or grab the spotlight too much here either.  I've detuned characters to match the general party level of effectiveness, I've avoided combinations that are cheesy even if my character could do them.I usually ended up more "Real Roleplayer" than "Real Munchkin" if anyone remembers those lists, though more of both of them than "Real Men" or "Real Loonies".So I rate myself highly on both roleplaying and optimization.  They are not mutually exclusive, diametrically opposed, or opposites.  Oh, and I encourage all players to become better in both, and also not to be jerks with either.</blockquote>

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