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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 7001428" data-attributes="member: 4937">Hmmm... you could be right about Kylo Ren being a deliberate 'Cobra Commander' villain.  I hadn't considered that Driver could have been cast for his comedic acting ability.  In which case, I still maintain there is a huge failure here, even if it wasn't the one that I thought it was.   For one thing, you generally don't have the Cobra Commander commit a brutal on screen act of patricide.Yes!!! Yes!!! So much Yes you'll get tired of the yessing.  Let's not get too derailed by my example from the main point.  Less is often more!  So many things getting ruined by trying to make them bigger, more over the top, until they try to out Herod Herod and it all ends up a bit silly looking.  Like, Peter Jackson's fascination with vertical exaggeration or comically over the top horseman's flails.  Less would have been more.  But, let's not get derailed with more examples.  The point is that when you have a push button mechanical reinforcement of a character's trope or quirk, you are almost guaranteeing Flanderization.Totally agree with this and your remaining analysis.  But my point remains that when Vader was on the screen, there had been very few movie villains with such sinister on screen presence.  Yes, that force choke made Vader in the first film. Missing the point here.  Regardless of whether Gandalf is a poor fit for D&D or not, the point of the reference is that compared to an average D&D wizard player character, Gandalf appears in fact to be quite low level.  D&D's wizards eventually end up with capabilities fantastically beyond that of Gandalf or pretty much any pre-Gandalf wizard.  Merlin, Prospero, Circe and so forth all end up being pretty small fry compared to the sort of wizards that can populate a D&D universe.  The point of the article I was referencing was that DMs or players shouldn't assume that literary characters were maximum level characters, and that they shouldn't be surprised that if they wield characters of very high level the resulting play does not resemble some of their famous novels.   Whether the magic system in Lord of the Rings can be approximated by D&D's pseudo-Vancian system is a whole other matter.</blockquote>

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