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<blockquote data-quote="Mercule" data-source="post: 3932804" data-attributes="member: 5100">This has been directly refuted (sorry, no link).&nbsp; &quot;Stretching out the sweet spot&quot; refers to some refinements in the underlying math, not to the power level.&nbsp; I believe the claim is rough equivalence to 3E, with some shifting of specifics.Based on the information I've seen, my expectation is that the die-hard caster fans will feel their favorites have been de-powered because some of the heavy-hitting (some might say &quot;inappropriately leveled&quot;) spells have been moved or removed.&nbsp; Hopefully, this feeling will be mitigated by the fact that they will always have a few &quot;at will&quot; powers.&nbsp; Meanwhile, many fighter/rogue fans will feel that they've gotten a power boost because of the new martial power source and the corresponding &quot;powers&quot;.&nbsp; The flip to that is that the mechanic may make the fighter fans feel like they're playing a caster -- but that's something I seriously doubt.Really, the thing to compare isn't a 3E character to a 4E character.&nbsp; It's the monsters of the appropriate edition that a character can defeat.&nbsp; A 1E party of 8th level characters (or a single 8th level barbarian) could take out a respectable dragon.&nbsp; In 2E, the party would have to be a bit higher level and in 3E, they'd have to be in the upper teens, at minimum.&nbsp; So, you could say that characters were depowered over the editions -- but that mostly applies to fighters, since the spell lists weren't refactored.&nbsp; I guess that's a rambling way of saying that there may net be a good way to evaluate the difference.&nbsp; Even if there is, it may depend very strongly on what your definition of &quot;power&quot; is.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mercule, post: 3932804, member: 5100"] This has been directly refuted (sorry, no link). "Stretching out the sweet spot" refers to some refinements in the underlying math, not to the power level. I believe the claim is rough equivalence to 3E, with some shifting of specifics. Based on the information I've seen, my expectation is that the die-hard caster fans will feel their favorites have been de-powered because some of the heavy-hitting (some might say "inappropriately leveled") spells have been moved or removed. Hopefully, this feeling will be mitigated by the fact that they will always have a few "at will" powers. Meanwhile, many fighter/rogue fans will feel that they've gotten a power boost because of the new martial power source and the corresponding "powers". The flip to that is that the mechanic [u]may[/u] make the fighter fans feel like they're playing a caster -- but that's something I seriously doubt. Really, the thing to compare isn't a 3E character to a 4E character. It's the monsters of the appropriate edition that a character can defeat. A 1E party of 8th level characters (or a single 8th level barbarian) could take out a respectable dragon. In 2E, the party would have to be a bit higher level and in 3E, they'd have to be in the upper teens, at minimum. So, you could say that characters were depowered over the editions -- but that mostly applies to fighters, since the spell lists weren't refactored. I guess that's a rambling way of saying that there may net be a good way to evaluate the difference. Even if there is, it may depend very strongly on what your definition of "power" is. [/QUOTE]

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