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<blockquote data-quote="Majoru Oakheart" data-source="post: 3757078" data-attributes="member: 5143">Frankly, it's been my experience that the difference was like this:Bard: &quot;This round my action is to give you all +2 to hit and damage.&quot;Barbarian: &quot;I attack, I hit ac 38.&nbsp; Their ac is 24, so I hit, I do...48 damage...oh, 50 due to the bard song.&quot;Wizard: &quot;I shoot an orb of force at him, I hit touch ac 22..Oh, right, 24 with the bard song.&nbsp; Their touch ac is 11, so I do...40 damage..right, 42 with the bard song.&quot;DM: &quot;Hah.&nbsp; 42?&nbsp; Well, the enemy only had 25 hit points left, so 42 kills it.&quot;Bard: &quot;So, wait, you both would have hit without the song and the damage without the song would have killed the enemy, anyways?&nbsp; So...I accomplished...nothing?&quot;They just don't have a combat niche.&nbsp; What role do you play in defeating the enemies?&nbsp; Haste is about the closest they get to actually beating the enemies.&nbsp; And they don't defeat anyone, they just make their allies better at doing what they do.That was one of the main reasons I'm happy about the roles.&nbsp; It means that you don't have to be a wizard, fighter or barbarian to know that you have a job to do in combat.&nbsp; And you know that your job will be useful.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Majoru Oakheart, post: 3757078, member: 5143"] Frankly, it's been my experience that the difference was like this: Bard: "This round my action is to give you all +2 to hit and damage." Barbarian: "I attack, I hit ac 38. Their ac is 24, so I hit, I do...48 damage...oh, 50 due to the bard song." Wizard: "I shoot an orb of force at him, I hit touch ac 22..Oh, right, 24 with the bard song. Their touch ac is 11, so I do...40 damage..right, 42 with the bard song." DM: "Hah. 42? Well, the enemy only had 25 hit points left, so 42 kills it." Bard: "So, wait, you both would have hit without the song and the damage without the song would have killed the enemy, anyways? So...I accomplished...nothing?" They just don't have a combat niche. What role do you play in defeating the enemies? Haste is about the closest they get to actually beating the enemies. And they don't defeat anyone, they just make their allies better at doing what they do. That was one of the main reasons I'm happy about the roles. It means that you don't have to be a wizard, fighter or barbarian to know that you have a job to do in combat. And you know that your job will be useful. [/QUOTE]

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