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Message: <blockquote data-quote="paradox42" data-source="post: 4927701" data-attributes="member: 29746">So what do you do about the Creation series of spells? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Particularly the 9th-level one, True Creation, which creates pretty much anything? Admittedly, the caster's supposed to pay XP for creating anything valuable, but even so- stuff like food, water, ordinary soil... trivial. One could create a whole world with that, done long enough- all it takes is patience.And anyway, the way it worked was that temporary Primal was gained on a daily basis, and as a percentage of your permanent pool. So basically it was similar to another spell-points system. If you reduced the size of the permanent pool, that would likewise reduce the amount of temporary Primal you had in following days, though the system also postulates that you can sort of "push" your temp stuff back into the main pool to eventually grow it. They even had tables in the book showing examples of deities using this mechanism over years, decades, or centuries, and how big they get as a result.That is essentially what I did actually- I reverse-engineered the Epic Spells system and tried to relate it back to the system for costing magic items on spell level. Items based on the Fortify Seed are probably a bit too cheap, but since people using the SRD Epic Spells system have long complained that the Fortify Seed is itself too cheap, I'd like to think that isn't a strike against the system I came up with. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> Anyway, the best thing is to just put it out there and let people draw their own conclusions for what works best in their own games.I'm going to cut out most of the text I had written up for this, since my own game has several special rules changes regarding creation of Epic items; the relevant section for this thread is the costing of Epic spells. The text for my system doesn't mention it, but it assumes that the usual rule for "Epic items cost x10" still applies here- so don't forget to multiply the final cost for any artifact you come up with using this system by 10, before using it in game. I've also slightly reformatted the text to make it easier to read, and call out important points with emphasis (such as the fact that I based everything on limiting the number of uses per day of any Epic effect put into an item).Hopefully that proves useful to people.</blockquote>

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