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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 8802725" data-attributes="member: 67338">I don't always think they are necessary. Not every game is 'save the world' (please take that hint WotC). If your PCs are dungeon delvers or dragon hunters having a powerful order of paladin/monks that serve as Marshals in the wild west (Totally not jedi don't look at me like that... why yes they all have radiant swords) is fine, they are NOT dungeon delvers or dragon slayers. Like wise if I am making a game where the PCs are expecting and building a warlord's band or a mounted knights (ether one being mercenary company) It doesn't matter if there are 17 powerful sorcerer families that each have level 15+ sorcerers... those just become there clients. The term Mary Sue gets thrown around a lot now adays. I think if anything it is being abuised... but I can't imagine any definition of Mary Sue that doesn't line up with an author insert (that looks like the author no less) that is one of if not the most powerful mage, who sleeps with all the hot women including the goddesses (and a set of sisters) and who can lie to/argue with the over deity that other gods can't even talk to... and that is NOT an all encompassing  list with Elminster.</blockquote>