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Message: <blockquote data-quote="iwatt" data-source="post: 2054936" data-attributes="member: 11085">I think you hit the nail on it's head. The problem is that powerful leaders need skills and skill points to be effective. But they don't necesarily have to have humongous hps and top notch saves and BAB.In DnD, a master jeweler can have more hitpoints tah a troll!An alternative to this is to borrow from SW d20, were the NPC classes have no VP, only WP. what I mean, is that a Level 10 Diplomat is just as easy to kill as a Level 1 Diplomat (barring feats). But he is more experienced in his are of expertise. This still leaves a problem with the saves. Not necesarily too much of a problem (you don't want the PCs easily charming said jeweler anyways). With low hps, the NPC experts won't be fighting even if they have a +25 to hit.</blockquote>