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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 7628051" data-attributes="member: 6795602">Which amounts to a relatively tiny increase in the damage output of spirit guardians.In combat you will mostly be using spirit guardians / spiritual weapon and attacking.  -Speaking of those spells, how are you getting them both out by turn 2 while casting shileleagh.  You can't cast a 2 bonus action spells in a single round or 1 regular action spell and a bonus action cantrip.  You can cast a bonus action spell and a cantrip though.  So presumably there will be fights where your not able to cast shillelagh before making your first attack?  That's very unoptimized IMO - especially when you are effectively dumping your non-shilieleagh attack stat. Yes - At the expense of a feat and terrible action economy (due to trying to do more things than possible on the first 2 turns of combat).  - oh and let's not forget that you have  the odd restriction that the PC must use the standard array which is a restriction that's always hard on dual stat builds. No.  It's + 1.  Even with standard array.  Just take heavy armor master and start with 16 str 16 wis.Until you bump your ASI you are doing the same as this non-shileleagh cleric.  The moment you both bump ASI's which is looking like level 8 (due to wanting warcaster or resilient con) then you.  At level 8 when you finally bump your first ASI you get 18 wisdom and he gets 18 str (assuming my original suggestion of splitting str and wis).  And this is without factoring in the defensive boost that Heavy Armor Master provides.So let's recap thus far by looking at a typical fight.Turn 1: Cast spirit GuardiansTurn 2: Cast spiritual weapon and attackTurn 3: attack and bonus action attack with spiritual weaponAt what turn and with which action/bonus action are you giving up to cast shileleagh? Your proposed build can't even use shileleagh in a fight without taking away one of the attacks the non-shileliagh cleric is doing.-which is the reason I've always discounted shileleagh clerics.</blockquote>

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