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<blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 5669072" data-attributes="member: 35909">Make sure he could afford all those feats, it sounds like he's a Master of Many Styles Monk.&nbsp; Note that unless he entered monk at level 3+, he bascially needed to spend his Monk 1 feat on a style feat itself, not the other 2 in that particular tree.&nbsp; MoMS gets to ignore pre-reqs on bonus style feats, but has to actually have the style feat still.The feat tree he's decided to take -- Sap Adept, Sap Master, and possibly Knockout Artist are very feat intensive, only benefit when he does NONlethal bludgeoning damage, and at least in the case of the first two (not sure of Knockout Artist) only works on a flatfooted foe.&nbsp; Not a flanked foe, not a foe that's been feinted.&nbsp; Flatfooted only.&nbsp; Also, Sap Master requires SA +3d6, so I don't know how he has it already, he may have &quot;made a mistake&quot; there.But even with all that stuff, sorry.&nbsp; Tier 2 does not mean &quot;lots of damage,&quot; and I assure you a Fighter or Barbarian with only a single feat (Power Attack) could be doing as much or nearly as much damage as him without those annoying restrictions.&nbsp; He is not tier 2, he'll be lucky to be tier 4 if he optimizes heavily enough.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="StreamOfTheSky, post: 5669072, member: 35909"] Make sure he could afford all those feats, it sounds like he's a Master of Many Styles Monk. Note that unless he entered monk at level 3+, he bascially needed to spend his Monk 1 feat on a style feat itself, not the other 2 in that particular tree. MoMS gets to ignore pre-reqs on bonus style feats, but has to actually have the style feat still. The feat tree he's decided to take -- Sap Adept, Sap Master, and possibly Knockout Artist are very feat intensive, only benefit when he does NONlethal bludgeoning damage, and at least in the case of the first two (not sure of Knockout Artist) only works on a flatfooted foe. Not a flanked foe, not a foe that's been feinted. Flatfooted only. Also, Sap Master requires SA +3d6, so I don't know how he has it already, he may have "made a mistake" there. But even with all that stuff, sorry. Tier 2 does not mean "lots of damage," and I assure you a Fighter or Barbarian with only a single feat (Power Attack) could be doing as much or nearly as much damage as him without those annoying restrictions. He is not tier 2, he'll be lucky to be tier 4 if he optimizes heavily enough. [/QUOTE]

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