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<blockquote data-quote="Starbuck_II" data-source="post: 5669154" data-attributes="member: 61375"><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">So when he is lucky enough to hit a guy flat footed, the dude is knocked out. Seems fine.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">He can't get Flury of Blows. That is where you aren't understanding.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Grapples don't flat foot a target.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Average Barbarians do much more consistently.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Remember Rage adds +4 Str. And proficient with 2 handed weapons.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Wait, Evasion doesn't stack. So he can't have Improved evasion.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Unless you are omitting important houserules (not the actual way the rules work).</span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">No, Tier 3-4 at most. Maybe Tier 3 as he does have decent skills. But doing damage makes you Tier 4 at most (stuck in one role)</span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">#1 Master of Many Styles Monk trades Flurry of Blows away.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">If he doesn't of MoMS Monk he likely can't qualify for any Styles (except Turtle but turtle sucks sadly).</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">He can only get 1st Style Feat then any 1 other feat in tree (he can skip 2nd in tree and get third). He could get two Style feats but they are better with 2 in tree than 2 1st ones.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">#2 23 AC at lv 6 is not that high.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Most people can get that at lv 5 easily: +1 Ring, +1 Dusty rose, +1 NA +3 Dex +5 Armor (+1 Chain Shirt) +2 Shield (Heavy Shields give this) =23 AC at level 4.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">All of that is affordable.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Heck, you have money left over, you could get the Shield to be +1 as well.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">#3 If you are worried about 23 AC at lv 6, I'm worried about your AC. How low are we talking here?</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">#4: He needs Enforcer (nonlethal shakens targets)/Shatter Defenses feat (shaken foes treated as Flatfooted) </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Without those he gets his "super" damage 1/combat.</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Starbuck_II, post: 5669154, member: 61375"] [FONT=Times New Roman]So when he is lucky enough to hit a guy flat footed, the dude is knocked out. Seems fine.[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman]He can't get Flury of Blows. That is where you aren't understanding.[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman]Grapples don't flat foot a target.[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman]Average Barbarians do much more consistently.[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman]Remember Rage adds +4 Str. And proficient with 2 handed weapons.[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman]Wait, Evasion doesn't stack. So he can't have Improved evasion.[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman]Unless you are omitting important houserules (not the actual way the rules work).[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman]No, Tier 3-4 at most. Maybe Tier 3 as he does have decent skills. But doing damage makes you Tier 4 at most (stuck in one role)[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman].[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman]#1 Master of Many Styles Monk trades Flurry of Blows away.[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman]If he doesn't of MoMS Monk he likely can't qualify for any Styles (except Turtle but turtle sucks sadly).[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman]He can only get 1st Style Feat then any 1 other feat in tree (he can skip 2nd in tree and get third). He could get two Style feats but they are better with 2 in tree than 2 1st ones.[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman]#2 23 AC at lv 6 is not that high.[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman]Most people can get that at lv 5 easily: +1 Ring, +1 Dusty rose, +1 NA +3 Dex +5 Armor (+1 Chain Shirt) +2 Shield (Heavy Shields give this) =23 AC at level 4.[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman]All of that is affordable.[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman]Heck, you have money left over, you could get the Shield to be +1 as well.[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman]#3 If you are worried about 23 AC at lv 6, I'm worried about your AC. How low are we talking here?[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman]#4: He needs Enforcer (nonlethal shakens targets)/Shatter Defenses feat (shaken foes treated as Flatfooted) [/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman]Without those he gets his "super" damage 1/combat.[/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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