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<blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 4871868" data-attributes="member: 35909">Using unarmed strike + natural attacks means you're using your unarmed strike as a manufactured weapon (like a longsword or staff), which is perfectly fine.&nbsp; The rules for natural attacks state you can take your full iterative attack routine with a manufactured weapon and then use your natural weapons as secondary natural attacks (at a -5 penalty, or -2 with multiattack feat).&nbsp; I don't think it states about a primary natural weapon used as a secondary natural weapon getting reduced to half str modifier to damage, but the intent seems pretty clear that this is the case.For your monk as you posted, the flurry thing is debatable, so I won't take that into account.&nbsp; But you could take your 2 attacks at BAB +6 and BAB +1 with unarmed strikes.&nbsp; After those, you could use your claw/claw/bite at your highest BAB (as all natural attacks use), but with a -5 penalty to hit for secondary natural attacks.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="StreamOfTheSky, post: 4871868, member: 35909"] Using unarmed strike + natural attacks means you're using your unarmed strike as a manufactured weapon (like a longsword or staff), which is perfectly fine. The rules for natural attacks state you can take your full iterative attack routine with a manufactured weapon and then use your natural weapons as secondary natural attacks (at a -5 penalty, or -2 with multiattack feat). I don't think it states about a primary natural weapon used as a secondary natural weapon getting reduced to half str modifier to damage, but the intent seems pretty clear that this is the case. For your monk as you posted, the flurry thing is debatable, so I won't take that into account. But you could take your 2 attacks at BAB +6 and BAB +1 with unarmed strikes. After those, you could use your claw/claw/bite at your highest BAB (as all natural attacks use), but with a -5 penalty to hit for secondary natural attacks. [/QUOTE]

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