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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Khaalis" data-source="post: 1562660" data-attributes="member: 2167">Why???What bothers me the most about posts like this is that people insist on taking a Black & White view of gaming. Like life - nothing is Black & White. All gamers that play a system like D&D, or any other that uses a mechanics rule structure, are "munchkin" to some degree. Everytime you pick a class, level up, place a skill point, choose a feat you are making a decision to better your character - which is the root definition of "munchkining".  Unless you are one who feels that making a character that is a useless waste to your party is the only way to role-play or you want to play the 5 year 1st level campaign - you are still forwarding your character and making it better.  And if your character IS useless - why the h3ll are they an adventurer to begin with? If someone makes a character that is the paragon of their role in the party, the best at what they do, why does that make them a bad gamer?  It also irritates me that it is automatically assumed that if you are the type to maximize your character's mechanics potential, that you cant be a decent role-player.  They are NOT Mutually Exclusive!Cheaters on the other hand are a whole different ballpark from "power-gamers". Cheaters in gaming are like cheaters in any other aspect of life, but being the best at what you do isnt cheating, its expertise.JMHRO</blockquote>