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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ThePublic" data-source="post: 3697834" data-attributes="member: 54122">WOOO HOOOOO!!!!!!I haven't seen this much real passion in a post since I came (mind you that isn't long at all)Hurt feelings?!?!? No hurt feelings here, just passion and joy for the responses I see (and yes I am reading it all)but for Clarity (of the initial post)the We I am talking about is the collective We as GMs, DMs, PCs, and for a smaller part NPCs in the D&D system. If you do not take responsibility for what you do then the garbage you may put in will effect another down the road (or in this example, the hard questions and honest answers)For personal jibes and pokes- Thanks! it is good to see that you care enough to poke for the parts that should hurt! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />  But no, I actually have worked in action fields (private money collection, and as of my adulthood- medicine- hence the time to do this!) I have seen the same issues in 1st ed as well, but the groups I ran into really had a concerted effort to stifle it as soon as it started interfering with roleplay (building to be contrary and off kilter does this on occasion).Now for a bit more clarification: I never said make your character a weenie (since very few folks want to play or play with a weenie), i was referring to folks taking a class just for a special ability or two without a clear concept of why (storywise).As for the Mighty Rules that even the DM must follow I fondly think back and pardon the paraphrasing here but : "These are merely the basis of the rules, use or change them as you see fit, as it is your (as a Dm) world" Sorry, but as in all sets of house rulings (and there is one for every house) the rules are not perfect or unchangeable, and this is where the issues lie and the things that we do to them will live on in our own groups and in the groups of players we touch.and FYI- I moved away from my old group- hence the interviewing a new group. i turned away folks w.o jobs, cars, hygene, but mainly I turned away statmonsters that said, "Um their parents died and now they are half demon killers that are gonna start with at least two magic items, um right?"  A generalization, but I am sure you get the point.Oh yeah, I unforgivingly kick out all whiners, criers and cheaters, but hey thats from personal preference and has little to nothing to do with the discussion- which I have enjoyed profusely. Please lets have some more!Eagerly Awaiting more Good Stuff,The Public</blockquote>

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