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Message: <blockquote data-quote="danzig138" data-source="post: 3698323" data-attributes="member: 3595">I guess I couldn't play in your games.  I don't have a paying job, and most of our income is dedicated to other things, like electricity, mortgage, gas, food, clothes for the kids, you know, unimportant things. Personally, I'm too busy goofing off during the day to have a paying job. Plus, I don't think McDonald's would let me bring the one-year for whom I am the, oh what's the phrase woman uses? Oh, right. Primary caregiver for. If I'm a player, and I have some extra cash (around tax refund time for example), I have no problem pitching in for a few pizzas or something. Not every player will have the same economic status. At the same time, I don't leech off the other players' snacks either. If possible, I will pitch in to buy the DM some food, soda, or smokes, because he's the guy putting the work into the game. And I treat it the same when I GM. When we game, I prefer for at least a couple of the guys to bring me a pack of smokes or pick me up a hamburger when they do a food run as slight compensation for both the time I put into the game, and the little bit of cash that goes into things like character sheets and handouts.  Nope. I haven't driven a car since 1991, when I wrecked mine (a '72 Galaxie, split the engine block), plus two others, and landed 3 people in the hospital (one with a broken back, my best friend, unfortunately). But somehow, I've always managed to be where I need to be.  Everyone smells. But I like to think I smell somewhere between roses and steak.  Nope. When I play a game, I rarely come to the table with a concept. It's not how I build characters. I first talk the DM into letting me roll 3d6 in order, see what I get, and then go from there. If he doesn't then I just put my rolls down in the order they come anyway (point buy really screws up my character building method). And if I want to, I can optimize/powergame the crap out of that character (although not like the pros on the WoTC optimization boards. Man, are those guys good, and my skills are super rusty since I don't have all the books, and I only get to run games these days). In the time I've been playing (about 19 years now), I've  met one person who could out optimize me, and he cheated.  At the same time, I've always been one of the better roleplayers in the groups too. Nope. It's just as socially acceptable now as ever I think. Possibly less so now that so many players are online and exposed to all the storytellers out there. I don't know what Gm's are looking for. I'm looking for warm bodies that I get along with. Of course, I don't really roll with GM's who are worried about their storylines, although I appreciate the idea here that story and H/S are an either/or kind of thing. Frankly, my players are more interested in pre-gen characters half the time, because they never know what they're going to get. Otherwise, they. . . oh wait, that's right. It's not an either/or thing either. And sadly, I completely quit taking this even remotely seriously with your use of the ever-so-lame role-playing/roll-playing (again, not mutually exclusive).  I'm not doing a darned thing either way. I don't care how anyone outside of my group does it, and really, as long as they're having a good time, I don't care how the people inside the group are doing it.  So what do you do with folks like me, who can both powergame a character and get into character?  And I'm perfectly fine with you feeling that way even if you're wrong. And I think people should get to play the game however they enjoy it, and the more styles in play, the better. I also don't think a "good group" ignores the powergaming aspect if some of them are interested in it, and yes, a "good group" can be interested in it. So basically, I think you're full of it, but being full of it works perfectly well for some people, and if it does so for you, then more power to you and yours.</blockquote>

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