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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Wulf Ratbane" data-source="post: 2386254" data-attributes="member: 94">That's a good instinct. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Well, let's just see what Heroes of High Favor: Elves has to say on the subject. (I didn't do all that research for nothing...)First of all, any spell that requires an attack roll gets "No Save" at no cost. (That's actually the default.)Transfer adds +3 levels. Improving from Touch to Close is +1/2 level. Dropping the effect to 1/2 caster level is -1/2 level. So you could design a 3rd level spell that did 1d6 per two caster levels, transferring the damage to the caster.Now just look at where we differ from this approach:About 1/2, actually...Probably an adjustment of about -1/2...Well, my research for Elves was based on 3.0 spells-- when there was no such thing as a fatigue effect. Considering that Touch of Fatigue is a 0-level spell, I don't think the Fatigue effect should cost you more than about +1/2 level. It's actually probably a 0-level baseline effect (There's not a lot of room to reduce the level of Touch of Fatigue any more than 0-level because it's got nowhere "down" to go: Its range is touch, its duration is 1 round/level, so you've pretty much run out of the usual suspects for reducing a spell's level.)But since we're combining effects into a single spell, +1/2 level is fair.The only thing remaining is how valuable the "Jet" template is. I think the jury is still out on that one. The advantage of a spell that keeps on damaging is offset by the fact that the caster can't do anything else. Is it fully offset? Definitely not. Some kind of increase is in order.EDIT: Hmmm... I'm thinking now of the "Repeat Spell" metamagic feat. I think it's in complete arcane, I think it's +2 levels, and I think it only lets the spell repeat once. My inclination with "Jet" would be to reduce the overall damage per round since you're spreading it out, which I think is more useful than giving full value for it but increasing the base spell level by 2 or 3 levels.That's really the issue: there are certain expectations with regard to the damage cap.But a 5th level spell is the point at which the game says you it's ok for you to be able to regularly KILL a target with a single spell.I'll try to get to that one next!Wulf</blockquote>

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