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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Victim" data-source="post: 1879276" data-attributes="member: 78">Comparing just about any 20th level character to another character of the same level with a cohort is going to be rough on the loner.  However, in this case, a wizard cohort for the theurge adds very little to his abilities - he's already a 17th level wizard (or 13th at the minimum) so the marginal gain is less than the wizard with a cleric cohort (the cohort adds a completely new set of abilities).  However, the theurge with practiced spellcaster is farther behind than you think Antoine.  First of all, if he takes practice spellcaster once, he's STILL behind in caster level by 2 levels, although this deficiency could be spread around or dumped on one class.  As mentioned, the theurge is behind in the highest level of spells (the most important).  Finally, there's the need to pump two stats for spellcasting, not one.  Not only will the Theurge's spell DCs and bonus spells always be a bit behind (unless he wants one of his casting types to really suck), but also the money needed to increase both stats can go toward buying the single class wizard kicking metamagic items.  Another issue is that additional spells per day only come into play if you actually use them.  An effective Wizard 17/Cleric 13 probably isn't going to be calling on most of his cleric spells.  Only in a real meat grinder will he need them.  Except for Heal.  Even when buffing, many of the lower level cleric spells will be somewhat redudant (especially if there's another cleric), easily dispeled (although at 20th level, Disjunction will probably be the automatic dispel of choice) even with Practiced Spellcaster, and the time required to fully buff becomes prohibitive, especially when dealing with 1 round per level spells.  Not to mention that a Mystic Theurge is more spellcaster than normal clerics, so many otherwise great cleric spells aren't as useful for him.While a mystic theurge is a nice choice if the group is too small for both arcane and divine casters, as a secondary/utility guy if the party has both, or as faux wizard with divine back up if you think the cleric's player is a moron.  But a theurge probably won't be outdoing clerics and wizards at their specialties without a significant difference in player ability.Thanks, Particle Man.</blockquote>

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