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<blockquote data-quote="Antoine" data-source="post: 1881134" data-attributes="member: 13307"><p>Multiclassing shortchanging spellcasters is as old a debate as D&D : try a 1st or 2nd E Cleric/Wizard 14/14 vs. an 18th level Archmage. With exactly the same experience. We're pretty close to the Mystic Theurge vs. Wiz17 comparison. </p><p>Multiclassing, by essence, is you fall behind specialists in their own domain. Characters don't multiclass for no reason. They do it because of their background, or because of their tactics, or because they find an advantage at multi-classing… you name it. I do have Ftr4/Wiz9 archer type elf character. Why ? I loose BAB and a shot par round to the fighter, 2 spell levels to a mage. But I can craft all my equipment to my needs. A rebuild almost any magic item I need if I loose them. I don't depend on anyone to have the bow I dream of; don't need to convince any wizard of the utility of greater bracers of archery. My character feels he's a better archer this way. ARCHER : that's the point of multiclassing, i.e. not being a fighter, or a wizard, but something else. Coherent with its own skills. </p><p></p><p>Practiced spellcaster is not a bad feat. People here seem to split in two camps : either 'shame it won't make my character as powerful a mage as a single class wizard'; or 'it's broken'. </p><p>Point is : if you want a character to be the most powerful mage, play one, single classed. Or else you'll expect the Complete Adventurer to provide a feat so that bards and rogue get +4 BAB to the limit of their hit dice, and so on… It probably wouldn't be "gamebreaking", but it would deprive D&D classes of their sense and flavour a little more.</p><p>As for PC being "broken" : hard to tell. It certainly outranks PHB feats like Spell Penetration. +2 levels would have been more in line with these IMHO. But it's the point of each new book published : either it's (often excellent) background, stories and descriptions, such as most FR and Eberron products. Or it has to sell to many players with different arguments. Expect more (worse) broken feats in the books to come… or you won't buy them. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Antoine, post: 1881134, member: 13307"] Multiclassing shortchanging spellcasters is as old a debate as D&D : try a 1st or 2nd E Cleric/Wizard 14/14 vs. an 18th level Archmage. With exactly the same experience. We're pretty close to the Mystic Theurge vs. Wiz17 comparison. Multiclassing, by essence, is you fall behind specialists in their own domain. Characters don't multiclass for no reason. They do it because of their background, or because of their tactics, or because they find an advantage at multi-classing… you name it. I do have Ftr4/Wiz9 archer type elf character. Why ? I loose BAB and a shot par round to the fighter, 2 spell levels to a mage. But I can craft all my equipment to my needs. A rebuild almost any magic item I need if I loose them. I don't depend on anyone to have the bow I dream of; don't need to convince any wizard of the utility of greater bracers of archery. My character feels he's a better archer this way. ARCHER : that's the point of multiclassing, i.e. not being a fighter, or a wizard, but something else. Coherent with its own skills. Practiced spellcaster is not a bad feat. People here seem to split in two camps : either 'shame it won't make my character as powerful a mage as a single class wizard'; or 'it's broken'. Point is : if you want a character to be the most powerful mage, play one, single classed. Or else you'll expect the Complete Adventurer to provide a feat so that bards and rogue get +4 BAB to the limit of their hit dice, and so on… It probably wouldn't be "gamebreaking", but it would deprive D&D classes of their sense and flavour a little more. As for PC being "broken" : hard to tell. It certainly outranks PHB feats like Spell Penetration. +2 levels would have been more in line with these IMHO. But it's the point of each new book published : either it's (often excellent) background, stories and descriptions, such as most FR and Eberron products. Or it has to sell to many players with different arguments. Expect more (worse) broken feats in the books to come… or you won't buy them. ;) [/QUOTE]
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