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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 1662795" data-attributes="member: 1656">The thing is that the wider range of spells just doesn't compensate for what you're losing.A Cleric8/Wizard8 is casting Cure Critical Wounds and Dimension Door.&nbsp; A Clr16 is casting Mass Cure Critical Wounds and Earthquake.&nbsp; A Wiz16 is casting Polymorph Any Object and Greater Teleport.Compare that to a multiclassed non-caster.&nbsp; A Ftr8/Rog8 or Bbn8/Rgr8 isn't really any weaker than a straight-classed non-caster.&nbsp; Multiclassing a caster using the PHB only doesn't give advantages commensurate with the loss of both caster levels and spell levels.&nbsp; The Theurge, Eldritch Knight, and Arcane Trickster help,&nbsp; Practised Spellcaster helps, to redress this.Comparing PS to Spell Penetration doesn't really apply.Let's say I have a halfling rogue, 8 Strength, 16 Dex.&nbsp; I take Weapon Finesse.My attack bonus with finessable weapons just jumped 4 points!&nbsp; That's four times the bonus Weapon Focus gives... twice as much as if I had Greater Weapon Focus as well, a high-level Fighter feat!&nbsp; Does that make Weapon Finesse overpowered?Well, let's see.&nbsp; Third level rogue - BAB +2.&nbsp; Weapon Finesse, +3.&nbsp; Size bonus, +1.&nbsp; Total, +6.Compare that to the fighter.&nbsp; BAB +3.&nbsp; Weapon Focus, +1.&nbsp; Str bonus, +3.&nbsp; Total +6.So the rogue's attack bonus is not unbalanced for his level.The Practised Spellcaster may gain a +4 bonus to his Spell Penetration checks... but only if his Spell Penetration bonus was already at least 4 less than a straight-class caster.&nbsp; For a character of his level, his Spell Penetration check is not unbalanced.Sure, it's better than a straight-PHB multiclassed caster.&nbsp; But he's still not casting Trap the Soul, and that's the true advantage of the straight-class caster.-Hyp.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 1662795, member: 1656"] The thing is that the wider range of spells just doesn't compensate for what you're losing. A Cleric8/Wizard8 is casting Cure Critical Wounds and Dimension Door. A Clr16 is casting [i]Mass[/i] Cure Critical Wounds and Earthquake. A Wiz16 is casting Polymorph Any Object and Greater Teleport. Compare that to a multiclassed non-caster. A Ftr8/Rog8 or Bbn8/Rgr8 isn't really any weaker than a straight-classed non-caster. Multiclassing a caster using the PHB only doesn't give advantages commensurate with the loss of both caster levels and spell levels. The Theurge, Eldritch Knight, and Arcane Trickster help, Practised Spellcaster helps, to redress this. Comparing PS to Spell Penetration doesn't really apply. Let's say I have a halfling rogue, 8 Strength, 16 Dex. I take Weapon Finesse. My attack bonus with finessable weapons just jumped 4 points! That's four times the bonus Weapon Focus gives... twice as much as if I had [i]Greater[/i] Weapon Focus as well, a high-level Fighter feat! Does that make Weapon Finesse overpowered? Well, let's see. Third level rogue - BAB +2. Weapon Finesse, +3. Size bonus, +1. Total, +6. Compare that to the fighter. BAB +3. Weapon Focus, +1. Str bonus, +3. Total +6. So the rogue's attack bonus is not unbalanced for his level. The Practised Spellcaster may gain a +4 bonus to his Spell Penetration checks... but only if his Spell Penetration bonus was already at least 4 less than a straight-class caster. For a character of his level, his Spell Penetration check is not unbalanced. Sure, it's better than a straight-PHB multiclassed caster. But he's still not casting Trap the Soul, and that's the true advantage of the straight-class caster. -Hyp. [/QUOTE]

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