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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 1663039" data-attributes="member: 1656">Let's say I take a Commoner all the way through to level 15.It's pretty much a given that I'll be weaker than the Wiz15, the Ftr15, and the Rog15.Now let's say we create a feat that grants +3 to BAB and to all saves.This is obviously supremely overpowered.But let's say we give it a prerequisite of &quot;15th level Commoner&quot;.Even with that feat, the character still has a lower BAB and lower saves than a 15th level monk... and lower hit dice... and no class features... etc, etc.Sure, it grants the equivalent (and better) of the Iron Will, Lightning Reflexes, and Great Fortitude feats.&nbsp; It's better than Greater Weapon Focus with all weapons.Nevertheless, with the prerequisite, it still results in a 15th level character who'll get his ass kicked by any other 15th level PC in town.But hey... I chose to be a Commoner, so that's not a penalty.Allowing a Fighter to take this feat would be lunacy.&nbsp; But he can't.Allowing a straight-class caster to take a feat for +4 caster levels would be crazy.&nbsp; But he can't.&nbsp; Practised Spellcaster doesn't give him the equivalent of Spell Penetration, Extend Spell, Widen Spell, Empower Spell, etc, etc.&nbsp; It gives him nothing.It only provides a benefit to a character who is otherwise weak.&nbsp; Just like my hypothetical SuperCommoner feat.-Hyp.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 1663039, member: 1656"] Let's say I take a Commoner all the way through to level 15. It's pretty much a given that I'll be weaker than the Wiz15, the Ftr15, and the Rog15. Now let's say we create a feat that grants +3 to BAB and to all saves. This is obviously supremely overpowered. But let's say we give it a prerequisite of "15th level Commoner". Even with that feat, the character still has a lower BAB and lower saves than a 15th level monk... and lower hit dice... and no class features... etc, etc. Sure, it grants the equivalent (and better) of the Iron Will, Lightning Reflexes, and Great Fortitude feats. It's [i]better[/i] than Greater Weapon Focus with all weapons. Nevertheless, with the prerequisite, it [i]still[/i] results in a 15th level character who'll get his ass kicked by any other 15th level PC in town. But hey... I chose to be a Commoner, so that's not a penalty. Allowing a Fighter to take this feat would be lunacy. But he can't. Allowing a straight-class caster to take a feat for +4 caster levels would be crazy. But he can't. Practised Spellcaster [i]doesn't[/i] give him the equivalent of Spell Penetration, Extend Spell, Widen Spell, Empower Spell, etc, etc. It gives him nothing. It only provides a benefit to a character who is otherwise weak. Just like my hypothetical SuperCommoner feat. -Hyp. [/QUOTE]

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