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<blockquote data-quote="Ourph" data-source="post: 1663336" data-attributes="member: 20239">The only multiclass spellcasters who are &quot;weak&quot; are those who expect to have the benefits of levels in some other class and still perform as well in spell combat as a single classed caster.Most multiclass casters I've seen use their spellcasting abilities to enhance the abilities of their primary class, NOT as direct attacks.&nbsp; Used that way, their spell abilities are exactly where they should be.&nbsp; The one level sorcerer casting Mage Armor and Shield is a good example.&nbsp; So is the Wizard/Rogue casting Mage Armor, Shield, Cat's Grace and Invisibility.&nbsp; A Wiz3/Rog7 is much better at Rogueish stuff than a 10th level Wizard and much better at powering himself up with spells than a 10th level Rogue, but he's not as good at Rogue stuff as a 10th level Rogue and he's not as good at spellcasting as a 10th level Wizard.&nbsp; Guess what?&nbsp; That's the way it's SUPPOSED to be!&nbsp; Specialization = Power and Generlization = Flexibility.&nbsp; It's supposed to be a trade-off.&nbsp; Any multiclass caster who expects to be performing just as well (or nearly as well) as a single class caster in straight up spell combat vs. a creature with SR is asking to have his cake and eat it too.Complaining that a Wiz/Rog isn't as good at overcoming SR as a straight Wiz is like complaining that a Ftr/Rog doesn't have as high a BAB as a straight Ftr or a Clr/Ftr isn't as good at turning undead as a straight Clr.&nbsp; Of course they aren't, you have to give up SOMETHING when you get sneak attack, evasion, uncanny dodge.&nbsp; You have to give up SOMETHING when you're getting extra feats, extra HP and martial weapon proficiencies.&nbsp; If this feat is balanced, then the next Rogue book should contain a feat giving a +4 bonus to all Rogue class skills for multiclass Rogues.&nbsp; The next Fighter book should contain a feat giving a +2 BAB for multiclass Fighters.&nbsp; The next Druid book should contain a feat giving a +4 equivalent class level for determining the HD of animal companions for multiclass Druids.If the goal is to take away the drawbacks to multi-classing, let's at least be thorough.&nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ourph, post: 1663336, member: 20239"] The only multiclass spellcasters who are "weak" are those who expect to have the benefits of levels in some other class and still perform as well in spell combat as a single classed caster. Most multiclass casters I've seen use their spellcasting abilities to enhance the abilities of their primary class, NOT as direct attacks. Used that way, their spell abilities are exactly where they should be. The one level sorcerer casting Mage Armor and Shield is a good example. So is the Wizard/Rogue casting Mage Armor, Shield, Cat's Grace and Invisibility. A Wiz3/Rog7 is much better at Rogueish stuff than a 10th level Wizard and much better at powering himself up with spells than a 10th level Rogue, but he's not as good at Rogue stuff as a 10th level Rogue and he's not as good at spellcasting as a 10th level Wizard. Guess what? That's the way it's SUPPOSED to be! Specialization = Power and Generlization = Flexibility. It's supposed to be a trade-off. Any multiclass caster who expects to be performing just as well (or nearly as well) as a single class caster in straight up spell combat vs. a creature with SR is asking to have his cake and eat it too. Complaining that a Wiz/Rog isn't as good at overcoming SR as a straight Wiz is like complaining that a Ftr/Rog doesn't have as high a BAB as a straight Ftr or a Clr/Ftr isn't as good at turning undead as a straight Clr. Of course they aren't, you have to give up SOMETHING when you get sneak attack, evasion, uncanny dodge. You have to give up SOMETHING when you're getting extra feats, extra HP and martial weapon proficiencies. If this feat is balanced, then the next Rogue book should contain a feat giving a +4 bonus to all Rogue class skills for multiclass Rogues. The next Fighter book should contain a feat giving a +2 BAB for multiclass Fighters. The next Druid book should contain a feat giving a +4 equivalent class level for determining the HD of animal companions for multiclass Druids. If the goal is to take away the drawbacks to multi-classing, let's at least be thorough. :p [/QUOTE]

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