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<blockquote data-quote="ruleslawyer" data-source="post: 1664198" data-attributes="member: 1757"><p>While I generally agree that multiclassed spellcasters are weak, even with the workarounds allowed by the MT and EK (though some others didn't seem to agree last time this came up; whew!), I do think Pax has an excellent point. Just as 3.5 slapped down save DCs (nerfing Spell Focus/GSF), then slapped them down again (nerfing spell power), thereby probably going too far, 3.5 has also seemed to add perhaps one too many options to make multiclassing viable. </p><p></p><p>For example, as it stands, the MT is weaker than a straight wizard for the following reasons:</p><p></p><p>1) Lack of bonus feats</p><p>2) Lack of familiar progression</p><p>3) Multiple stat dependency</p><p>4) Lack of access to higher-level spells</p><p>5) Lower caster level</p><p></p><p>In return, the MT gets the following:</p><p></p><p>1) extra hit points</p><p>2) domain powers</p><p>3) 10 levels of cleric spellcasting</p><p></p><p>What does that really mean? Well, the important advantages/disadvantages really <em>mean</em> the following:</p><p></p><p>ADVANTAGES OF MT:</p><p>Flexibility of spellcasting, arcane/divine spell synergies, lots of lower-level spells</p><p></p><p>DISADVANTAGES OF MT:</p><p>Trouble beating SR, lack of access to higher-level spells</p><p></p><p>Practiced Spellcaster means that one of the MT's two major disadvantages goes away. That's a big deal. With PS, the MT only loses out on access to higher-level spells. At low levels, that's probably a big enough deal to balance the class out (spell penetration's also not so important at those levels), but by Clr3/Wiz3/MT 10, the only disadvantage of the class is lack of access to 8th-level spells. That seems a bit sketchy to me, though I don't know how it'd play out in practice. But anyway, I think Pax has a good point in that it may be imprudent to allow multiple options for improving multiclassed spellcasting; picking one and sticking to it seems safer.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ruleslawyer, post: 1664198, member: 1757"] While I generally agree that multiclassed spellcasters are weak, even with the workarounds allowed by the MT and EK (though some others didn't seem to agree last time this came up; whew!), I do think Pax has an excellent point. Just as 3.5 slapped down save DCs (nerfing Spell Focus/GSF), then slapped them down again (nerfing spell power), thereby probably going too far, 3.5 has also seemed to add perhaps one too many options to make multiclassing viable. For example, as it stands, the MT is weaker than a straight wizard for the following reasons: 1) Lack of bonus feats 2) Lack of familiar progression 3) Multiple stat dependency 4) Lack of access to higher-level spells 5) Lower caster level In return, the MT gets the following: 1) extra hit points 2) domain powers 3) 10 levels of cleric spellcasting What does that really mean? Well, the important advantages/disadvantages really [i]mean[/i] the following: ADVANTAGES OF MT: Flexibility of spellcasting, arcane/divine spell synergies, lots of lower-level spells DISADVANTAGES OF MT: Trouble beating SR, lack of access to higher-level spells Practiced Spellcaster means that one of the MT's two major disadvantages goes away. That's a big deal. With PS, the MT only loses out on access to higher-level spells. At low levels, that's probably a big enough deal to balance the class out (spell penetration's also not so important at those levels), but by Clr3/Wiz3/MT 10, the only disadvantage of the class is lack of access to 8th-level spells. That seems a bit sketchy to me, though I don't know how it'd play out in practice. But anyway, I think Pax has a good point in that it may be imprudent to allow multiple options for improving multiclassed spellcasting; picking one and sticking to it seems safer. [/QUOTE]
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