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Message: <blockquote data-quote="atra2" data-source="post: 1664837" data-attributes="member: 10914">Methos, the post on TWF is the most clear analogy I've seen. Practiced Spellcaster REDUCES a penalty. Spell Penetration gives a REAL BONUS. a pure warrior bends all his feats to combat (for the sake of argument). a pure caster bends all his feats to casting/crafting (again for the sake of argument) a warrior/caster splits his feats, and now he has to consider giving up one of hisfew feats just to have his LOWER LEVEL spells on par with the LOWER LEVEL spellsof the rest of the party. Thanee nails it on the head in pointing out that having the highest level of spellstrumps any perceived advantage over a mutt caster having practiced spellcasterfeat. TWF for warrior types, Practiced Spellcaster for caster mutts. Same thing. You know, you could make a deal with the ArcTrick in your game and see ifthe feat actually makes the character too powerful. If it doesn't, well, yourproblem is solved and you can stop reading this thread <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":-)" title="Smile    :-)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":-)" /> the ftr5/sor1 w/ practiced spellcaster? Ooh, so powerful. Maybe he just getsa 1st level pearl of power, asks the 6th wizard to cast mage armor on him,and he'll give the spell slot right back <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":-)" title="Smile    :-)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":-)" /> 1000gp, 6 hours mage armor, no feat wasted. mage armor + shield + dex = nice AC at level 2, even 4. At level 6 to 8 you can face stone giants with +18 to hit. In fact, monster bonus to hit (including strength) tends to add up to +5 pertwo PC levels, if not more. at level 10, see if fire giants aren't +20 to hit with a greatsword. Your problem is self-solving, and in fact the ftr5/sor1 has nerfed himself for highlevel because he probably could do a lot better if he were a pure fighter wearingchain shirt +4, which is +8 AC, all the time. (Ok, so it's not a force effect, andincorporeals ignore it. Wah.) Mage Armor and Shield? he'd get more mileage as: Ftr4/bard2. wear light armor with no arcane failure. Be able to activate a wand ofcure light wounds (which all clerics make dozens of over their career <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":-)" title="Smile    :-)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":-)" /> and havesome decent spell choices, plus contribute a bard song twice a day, freeing up thecleric from casting bless and doing prayer instead before beginning the flame strikes <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":-)" title="Smile    :-)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":-)" /> With one level of sorc, I'd be a fighter in full plate with these two spells: True StrikeFeather Fall both are verbal-only, suffer no arcane failure, and you can skip practiced spellcaster. (True Strike = auto-disarm, auto-hit with a maxed power attack, etc.) Sounds like you have a good gaming group, but they aren't even close to powergaming3e/3.5, and they probably don't care to. Practiced Spellcaster won't make your campaign world any worse. Multiclassedcasters were always too weak for the few spells they got. A straight fighter witha good rack of potions or caster support behind him is much better than a castermutt, so let the mutts have their practiced spellcaster bone.</blockquote>

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