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<blockquote data-quote="Mark" data-source="post: 4575438" data-attributes="member: 5"><p>You seem to be missing a verb but I think I get your drift.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I wouldn't characterize you as lazy, since you responded so fast, but the lack of links backing your claim leaves me wondering since I have not seen anything in my own surfing to support it either and I tend to try and keep up on such matters.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That seems neither here nor there in regard to your previous point since, for 3pps and most fans (and at one time also for WotC), the best of all worlds is a successful D&D with an OGL that allows for 3pps to flourish, as well. Currently, the winds seemed to have changed in regard to what those with the most weight inside WotC seem to believe, otherwise we would likely have just seen a slightly revised OGL along with a new SRD. How much and who has changed inside WotC depends largely on who is talking and who you believe but the fact that there has been a shift in mindset is not something I see anybody arguing about. In the end it is what this mindset has produced, in the form of the GSL, that has been the sticking point for former 3pps. Of the hundreds of 3pps during the 3.xe era, only a handful have become 4e 3pps and WotC seems satisfied with that situation. Some larger, former 3pps seem to have come to terms with that situation, also, and moved on to become independent (even if the OGL is in use in some of their offerings).</p><p></p><p>The three biggest changes to my mind that exist between the market 3e entered and the market 4e entered are, firstly, 4e is competing with a much better in-house game than 3e had to supplant, secondly that 4e is obviously not being used to garner as much industry colition as 3e, and lastly the Internet as it exists today make the first two points much, much more important.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mark, post: 4575438, member: 5"] You seem to be missing a verb but I think I get your drift. I wouldn't characterize you as lazy, since you responded so fast, but the lack of links backing your claim leaves me wondering since I have not seen anything in my own surfing to support it either and I tend to try and keep up on such matters. That seems neither here nor there in regard to your previous point since, for 3pps and most fans (and at one time also for WotC), the best of all worlds is a successful D&D with an OGL that allows for 3pps to flourish, as well. Currently, the winds seemed to have changed in regard to what those with the most weight inside WotC seem to believe, otherwise we would likely have just seen a slightly revised OGL along with a new SRD. How much and who has changed inside WotC depends largely on who is talking and who you believe but the fact that there has been a shift in mindset is not something I see anybody arguing about. In the end it is what this mindset has produced, in the form of the GSL, that has been the sticking point for former 3pps. Of the hundreds of 3pps during the 3.xe era, only a handful have become 4e 3pps and WotC seems satisfied with that situation. Some larger, former 3pps seem to have come to terms with that situation, also, and moved on to become independent (even if the OGL is in use in some of their offerings). The three biggest changes to my mind that exist between the market 3e entered and the market 4e entered are, firstly, 4e is competing with a much better in-house game than 3e had to supplant, secondly that 4e is obviously not being used to garner as much industry colition as 3e, and lastly the Internet as it exists today make the first two points much, much more important. [/QUOTE]
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