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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 4576822" data-attributes="member: 48965"> Uhm, even though many of the handful of races we get for 4e in the MM…are wonky, power wise, at best when matched up with the PHB races? Yeah much better than ECL or LA… Or did you just decide to skip that since it doesn’t support your argument. In fact this makes the advantage definitely with 3e since it has enough low level monsters that can be used without any problem to outdistance 4e. Advantage: 3e  I will also note that many people are now starting to find that certain powers are objectively better than others that a class can choose, so I really wish people would stop touting the powers as all equal options when they aren’t. How can a sub-par choice in 3e equate to no choice but one in 4e is still viable? It’s even becoming debatable that some classes are less effective in their roles than others (Warlock vs. Ranger). So let’s give the game a little more time before we start declaring how viable it is option wise.  Again, jumping the gun…Tell me what benefit a squishy, low hp controller has in trying to multi-class into fighter or paladin classes. Will he be able to be an effective defender? Or is he basically worthless in that role?</blockquote>