Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
Pramas on 4E and New Gamers
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Scribble" data-source="post: 4305845" data-attributes="member: 23977"><p>I'm seeign a few things they've done to the game that makes it a good entry for new players.</p><p></p><p>First off, I think a lot of peple are confusing a complex amount of things you can do in the game, with the game being complex.</p><p></p><p>These are two different concepts. I'd argue that the first one is actually what makes the game fun.</p><p></p><p>The basic rules of 4e are standardized, and thus easier to learn. </p><p></p><p>You only need to learn how to make a character once.</p><p></p><p>You only need to learn how powers work once.</p><p></p><p>You only need to learn how skills work once.</p><p></p><p>You only need to learn how to attack things once.</p><p></p><p>Once you have that down, you know how to make a character, and how to interact in the game world for ANY character.</p><p></p><p>It's also made selecting powers easier in that they've tried to make any power a viable option. There's no hidden gems, and fools gold skunks.</p><p></p><p>Now you get to have fun figuring out how best to use that knowledge in the game. (Like someone who learned the rules of chess, discovering how certain strategies work)</p><p></p><p>Now in a non-rpg game, when you lose, no biggie. Start over, play again try harder.</p><p></p><p>In an RPG "losing" has a bit more of a consequence. You need to make a new character. </p><p></p><p>The game has made this easier to do. (also a factor of standardizing.) </p><p></p><p>Granted, it's been easier in some prior editions, but without as many in game options. People like options.</p><p></p><p>The game has also made surviving the first few "critical" levels less reliant on luck. This allows the player to get out of trouble when they see it, as opposed to a scenario where a lucky hit/crit/damage combo kills them in one shot. "I did all that work for what now? This game sucks!"</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scribble, post: 4305845, member: 23977"] I'm seeign a few things they've done to the game that makes it a good entry for new players. First off, I think a lot of peple are confusing a complex amount of things you can do in the game, with the game being complex. These are two different concepts. I'd argue that the first one is actually what makes the game fun. The basic rules of 4e are standardized, and thus easier to learn. You only need to learn how to make a character once. You only need to learn how powers work once. You only need to learn how skills work once. You only need to learn how to attack things once. Once you have that down, you know how to make a character, and how to interact in the game world for ANY character. It's also made selecting powers easier in that they've tried to make any power a viable option. There's no hidden gems, and fools gold skunks. Now you get to have fun figuring out how best to use that knowledge in the game. (Like someone who learned the rules of chess, discovering how certain strategies work) Now in a non-rpg game, when you lose, no biggie. Start over, play again try harder. In an RPG "losing" has a bit more of a consequence. You need to make a new character. The game has made this easier to do. (also a factor of standardizing.) Granted, it's been easier in some prior editions, but without as many in game options. People like options. The game has also made surviving the first few "critical" levels less reliant on luck. This allows the player to get out of trouble when they see it, as opposed to a scenario where a lucky hit/crit/damage combo kills them in one shot. "I did all that work for what now? This game sucks!" [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
Pramas on 4E and New Gamers
Top