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<blockquote data-quote="AdmundfortGeographer" data-source="post: 4310464" data-attributes="member: 4682">If said new guy was jumping in to the game as part of a group, especially a group with veteran gamers, of course.But if the new guy was getting in as part of a group of other new guys, then there is a good chance there will be a whole group of new gamers trying to read as much of everything as possible while they try to grasp it all because they wouldn't have the benevolent guidance of a veteran telling them what to ignore so they could get he game running. You can surely bet that in a group of all new gamers the one chosen to DM is going to want to/need to read a ton . . . not a narrow single class.If someone who knew the facts said that it is the case that all new-to-D&amp;D gamers only come to D&amp;D through an established group I'd believe them, then this issue of a &quot;barrier of entry by complexity of presentation&quot; would be a near non-issue. but we don't know exactly how many new gamers come to D&amp;D through an established group of veterans.In any case, I'm just saying that the presentation could have been far better than was executed.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AdmundfortGeographer, post: 4310464, member: 4682"] If said new guy was jumping in to the game as part of a group, especially a group with veteran gamers, of course. But if the new guy was getting in as part of a group of other new guys, then there is a good chance there will be a whole group of new gamers trying to read as much of everything as possible while they try to grasp it all because they wouldn't have the benevolent guidance of a veteran telling them what to ignore so they could get he game running. You can surely bet that in a group of all new gamers the one chosen to DM is going to want to/need to read a ton . . . not a narrow single class. If someone who knew the facts said that it is the case that all new-to-D&D gamers only come to D&D through an established group I'd believe them, then this issue of a "barrier of entry by complexity of presentation" would be a near non-issue. but we don't know exactly how many new gamers come to D&D through an established group of veterans. In any case, I'm just saying that the presentation could have been far better than was executed. [/QUOTE]

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